Deriving the formula for distance

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter DarthRoni
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    deriving Formula
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving the formula for distance under constant acceleration using calculus. Participants explore various approaches to integrate velocity and acceleration to arrive at the formula, examining both indefinite and definite integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes starting with the formula for distance, \(\Delta d = v_1\Delta t + \frac{1}{2}a\Delta t^2\), and seeks to derive it using calculus by defining velocity as a function of time.
  • Another participant discusses the integration of acceleration to find changes in velocity and subsequently distance, suggesting that the initial conditions are necessary for a complete derivation.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the role of initial displacement in the derivation process and how to incorporate it correctly.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of a constant of integration when integrating acceleration, emphasizing the need for initial conditions to determine constants in the equations.
  • One participant suggests that the discussion may be overly complicated and refers to an external resource for a simpler explanation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to derive the formula. There are multiple competing views on how to incorporate initial conditions and displacement, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the most efficient method.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for initial conditions but do not fully resolve how these should be applied in the context of their derivations. There is also some ambiguity regarding the integration steps and the definitions used for velocity and acceleration.

DarthRoni
Messages
31
Reaction score
0
I am currently redoing grade 11 physics and they have introduced the following formula,
\Delta d = v_1\Delta t + \frac{1}{2}a\Delta t^2
I am trying to find this equation using calculus.
So from what I understand, \Delta d is the area under the curve for v(\Delta t).
We can define v(\Delta t) = v_1 + a\Delta t where \Delta t = t_2 - t_1
I can take the integral of v(\Delta t) to find \Delta d call it D(\Delta t). Where, D'(\Delta t) = v(\Delta t).
D(\Delta t) = \int v(\Delta t)\ d\Delta t \implies D(\Delta t) = \int (v_1 + a\Delta t)d\Delta t\implies D(\Delta t) = v_1\Delta t + \frac{1}{2}a\Delta t^2

and suppose I know v(t) could I say:
\Delta d = \int_{t_1}^{t_2}v(t)dt = P(t_2) - P(t_1)\ where\ P'(t) = v(t)
\Delta d = D(\Delta t) \implies D(\Delta t) = P(t_2) - P(t_1)

Is this all correct ? Any feedback would be appreciated.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
We define velocity as v=dx/dt, and acceleration as a=dv/dt.

Start with the constant acceleration, a. One integration gives the change in velocity as v=at; the second gives the change in distance as d=1/2 at^2.

Then add in the expressions for an initial velocity, and an initial displacement - this gives the general result for constant acceleration.
 
So are you saying since a = \frac{\Delta v}{\Delta t}\ and\ v = \frac{\Delta d}{\Delta t}
\Delta v = \int (a)dt = at
\int (\Delta v) dt = \int (at)dt = \frac{1}{2}at^2
and since v_1 is constant
\int (v_1)dt = v_1t
and since v(t) = v_1 when t = 0, we have
\int v(t)dt = \int (v_1)dt + \int (\Delta v)dt
\implies \int v(t)dt = v_1t + \frac{1}{2}at^2

Is this what you mean? Where does initial displacement come into play? How would I proceed to use definite integrals ?
\int_{t_1}^{t_2}v(t)dt = (v_1t_2 + \frac{1}{2}at_2^2) -(v_1t_1 + \frac{1}{2}at_1^2)
does this work ?
 
Last edited:
well I suppose all we did was define v(t) and took the integral. I'm still not sure what you mean by adding initial displacement.
 
Here's another way to do it besides the one in the link UltrafastPED gave. Integrate the acceleration as an indefinite integral, so you add a constant of integration:
$$v=\int {a dt}\\
v = at + C$$

To find the constant of integration, you have to specify an "initial condition", namely that ##v = v_0## at t = 0:
$$v_0 = a \cdot 0 + C\\
C = v_0$$

Therefore ##v = at + v_0##

You can probably do the second integration to get x, with the initial condition ##x = x_0## at t = 0.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: 1 person
Thanks guys !
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 30 ·
2
Replies
30
Views
2K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 43 ·
2
Replies
43
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
2K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
3K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K