Deriving the hydrostatic equilibrium equation.

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The discussion revolves around deriving the hydrostatic equilibrium equation for a star, specifically focusing on the minimum pressure given by the formula P_{min}=\frac{GM^2}{8\pi R^4}, where M and R represent the mass and radius of the star, respectively.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the minimum pressure by balancing gravitational and pressure forces, but questions arise regarding the correctness of constants and assumptions made during the derivation.
  • Some participants suggest checking the derivation for missing coefficients and the assumption of mass independence from radius.
  • Others provide alternative approaches, including the use of uniform density and differentiation of mass to derive gravitational force.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's derivation, offering insights and corrections. There is a recognition of the need to reconsider certain assumptions, and some guidance has been provided regarding the integration process and the relationship between mass and radius.

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There are indications of potential misunderstandings regarding the assumptions of uniform density and the implications of gravitational force within the star. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the constants in their derived equation.

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A question asks for me to show that the minimum pressure of a star is given by:
[tex]P_{min}=\frac{GM^2}{8\pi R^4}[/tex]

where M and R are the mass and radius of the star.

My answer goes like this:
Gravitational force towards center = [tex]\frac{GM(r)\delta M(r)}{r^2}[/tex]
Pressure force outwards = [tex](P(r)-P(r+\delta r))\delta A = \delta P (r)\delta A[/tex]
[tex]\delta M(r) = \delta A\delta r \rho (r)[/tex]

In equilibrium Gravitational up + Pressure down = 0

:. [tex]\frac{GM(r) \delta A \delta r \rho (r)}{r^2} + \delta P (r)\deltaA = 0[/tex]
[tex]\delta P(r) = - \frac{GM(r) \rho (r) \delta r}{r^2}[/tex]
as [tex]\rho (r) = \frac{M(r)}{\frac{4}{3}\pi r^3}[/tex]
:. [tex]\delta P(r) = \frac{-GM(r)M(r) \delta r}{\frac{4}{3} \pi r^5}[/tex]

after reducing [tex]\delta[/tex] to zero and integrating, I end up with:
[tex]P(r) = \frac{3G(M(r))^2}{16\pi r^4}[/tex]

The minimum pressure will be when at r=R, so the variables will check out, but I still have incorrect constants. Can you spot anywhere I've gone wrong, or an incorrect assumption in this derivation?

Thanks guys
 
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I think this is it. Well I hope so anyway.
 
I am very sure that there's a coefficient of "3" missing in the expression for core pressure you're supposed to derive, please check the question.

You have the right concept, but your derivation assumes that m is independent of r. This is not correct. Assume a uniform density [tex]\rho[/tex]

Then the mass m enclosed by a spherical shell of radius r measured from the core is given by :

[tex]m = \frac{4}{3}\pi \rho r^3[/tex] --(1)

Differentiate that (you'll see why in a minute)

[tex]dm = 4\pi \rho r^2 dr[/tex] --(2)

The inward gravitational force at a point distance r from the core is given by :

[tex]F_G = \frac{Gmdm}{r^2} = \frac{16}{3}\pi^2 G \rho^2 r^3 dr[/tex]

which you get by substituting (1) and (2). Note that use is made of the fact that the uniform spherical shell beyond r contributes nothing to the gravitational field at r, a well-known result that is not proved here.

You have a pressure p that decreases uniformly as you travel outward from the center. The nett outward pressure exerted on the spherical shell at distance r from the core is given by (-dp). The area of the spherical shell is simply [tex]4\pi r^2[/tex]

Hence the nett force outward due to pressure is given by

[tex]F_P = -Adp = -4\pi r^2 dp[/tex]

For equilibrium, [tex]F_P = F_G[/tex] giving

[tex]-4\pi r^2 dp = \frac{16}{3}\pi^2 G \rho^2 r^3 dr[/tex]
[tex]dp = -\frac{4}{3}\pi G \rho^2 r dr[/tex]

The pressure at the exterior of the star (radius R) will be zero, hence

[tex]\int_0^P dp = -\int_R^0 \frac{4}{3}\pi G \rho^2 r dr[/tex]

which will yield

[tex]P = \frac{2}{3}\pi R^2 G \rho^2[/tex]

since you know that [tex]M = \frac{4}{3}\pi R^3 \rho[/tex], do the algebra to get

[tex]P = \frac{3GM^2}{8\pi R^4}[/tex]

which is the stellar pressure at the core.
 
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Thank you.
 
Brewer said:
Thank you.

You're welcome. :smile:
 

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