Deriving the progressive mechanical wave equation

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the progressive mechanical wave equation, focusing on the relationship between simple harmonic motion and wave propagation. Participants explore different mathematical representations of waves traveling in various directions and the implications of these representations on initial conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a progressive wave originates from continuous simple harmonic motion imparted to adjacent particles, leading to the equation y=Asin(ωt - kx).
  • Another participant points out that the phase difference arises from the physical interpretation of how the wave propagates in each case, emphasizing the distinction between different initial conditions for waves traveling in opposite directions.
  • A later reply discusses the mathematical representation of waves traveling towards the left and questions how the same equation can yield two initial conditions for waves traveling towards the right, while not presenting the same issue for left-traveling waves.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the wave equations and the physical interpretations of wave propagation, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the physical explanations for the differences in initial conditions between right- and left-traveling waves, as well as the dependence on specific mathematical forms used in the derivation.

Nikhil Rajagopalan
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Is it correct to state that a progressive wave, originates when a simple harmonic motion is imparted continuously to adjacent particles from one direction to another moving with a velocity v. Using this idea, substituting (t - x/v) instead of t is the simple harmonic motion function y=Asin(ωt), we obtain the final answer as y= Asin(ωt - kx).

In another method, drawing a sine wave and finding out the function for a sine wave propagating towards right with a velocity v , substituting (x - vt) instead of x, the propagating wave function is obtained as y= Asin(kx- ωt).

Why is there a phase difference here?
 
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Notice: the first one gets you ##y(x,t)=-A\sin (kx-\omega t)##
If you want the same phase, then the first sub should be ##x/v - t \to t##, or use a cosine wave.

The difference is because of how the wave propagates.
Think of the physical situation being described in each case: In the first you grab a point, say at x=0, and wave it first up and then down (and suppress the -x propagating solution); in the second you have a wave already and you shove it to one side - so that x=0 goes down first and then up.
The maths is just describing that correctly.
 
Thank you Simon Bridge, the answer was really helpful.
 
For the wave traveling towards left, the equations is Asin(kx + ωt). How does the same mathematical equation explain the possibility of two initial conditions. In the case of the wave traveling towards right, Asin(kx - ωt) and Asin(ωt - kx) gives two initial conditions Asin(kx) and -Asin(kx) on substituting t=0. Explaining the possibility of two different initial movements. In the case of waves traveling towards left, this difference doesn't come up. How can we explain this situation physically.
 

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