Deriving the vapor pressure latent heat dependence

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The discussion focuses on deriving the latent heat of vaporization using the Clausius-Clapeyron equation. Participants explore the relationship between latent heat (L) and absolute temperature (T), concluding that the equation can be expressed as L = (L_{100} - L_0)/100 * T + 3.73L_0 - 2.73L_{100}. The correct formulation for the slope and y-intercept is emphasized, along with the integration of the derived equations to find vapor pressure. The molar volume of vapor (α_v) is clarified as RT/p_s.

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  • Understanding of the Clausius-Clapeyron equation
  • Familiarity with latent heat concepts
  • Knowledge of thermodynamic principles, specifically relating to vapor pressure
  • Basic algebra for manipulating equations
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  • Research methods for calculating saturation vapor pressure at various temperatures
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Homework Statement


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Equation 2.78 is the Clausius Clapeyron equation.

Homework Equations


Clausius Clayperon equation.
L = L'T (since there is a linear dependence on temperature)

The Attempt at a Solution


$$ \frac{de_s}{dT} = \frac{L}{T\alpha} $$
$$ pV = RT $$ $$ V= RT/p $$
$$ \frac{dp_s}{dT} = \frac{L}{(RT^2)/p} $$

i am not sure how to continue with this though.
 

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il27 said:

Homework Statement


There is a picture attached showing the entire problem.
Equation 2.78 is the Clausius Clapeyron equation.

Homework Equations


Clausius Clayperon equation.
L = L'T (since there is a linear dependence on temperature)

The Attempt at a Solution


$$ \frac{de_s}{dT} = \frac{L}{T\alpha} $$
$$ pV = RT $$ $$ V= RT/p $$
$$ \frac{dp_s}{dT} = \frac{L}{(RT^2)/p} $$

i am not sure how to continue with this though.
Let ##L_0## be the latent heat of vaporization at 0 C and ##L_{100}## be the latent heat of vaporization at 100 C. In terms of the absolute temperature T, what is the latent heat of vaporization at absolute temperature T?
 
Chestermiller said:
Let ##L_0## be the latent heat of vaporization at 0 C and ##L_{100}## be the latent heat of vaporization at 100 C. In terms of the absolute temperature T, what is the latent heat of vaporization at absolute temperature T?

In terms of absolute temperature, the latent heat of vaporaization would be:
$$ L = 19T + 334 $$ 334 being the latent heat of water at 0 deg C. is that right?
 
il27 said:
In terms of absolute temperature, the latent heat of vaporaization would be:
$$ L = 19T + 334 $$ 334 being the latent heat of water at 0 deg C. is that right?
I want it algebraically in terms of ##L_0## and ##L_{100}##. And I asked for it in terms of the absolute temperature T, not the centigrade temperature.
 
Chestermiller said:
I want it algebraically in terms of ##L_0## and ##L_{100}##. And I asked for it in terms of the absolute temperature T, not the centigrade temperature.

Would it be: $$ L = L_{100}*T + L_0 $$ ?
 
il27 said:
Would it be: $$ L = L_{100}*T + L_0 $$ ?
Do you not know how to determine the equation for the straight line L vs T that passes through the points (273,##L_0##) and (373, ##L_{100}##)?
 
Chestermiller said:
Do you not know how to determine the equation for the straight line L vs T that passes through the points (273,##L_0##) and (373, ##L_{100}##)?

oh sorry!
that was dumb. yes of course. the equation i get for L is $$ L = (\frac{L_{100}-L_0}{100})T $$ no y-intercept.
what would be the next step?
 
il27 said:
oh sorry!
that was dumb. yes of course. the equation i get for L is $$ L = (\frac{L_{100}-L_0}{100})T $$ no y-intercept.

Incorrect. Try again.
 
Chestermiller said:
Incorrect. Try again.

sorry! i think i forgot the y-intercept.
$$ L =
il27 said:
oh sorry!
that was dumb. yes of course. the equation i get for L is $$ L = (\frac{L_{100}-L_0}{100})T $$ no y-intercept.
what would be the next step?
Chestermiller said:
Incorrect. Try again.

sorry! the slope is fine right? i think i forgot the y-intercept:
$$ L = (\frac{L_{100}-L_0}{100})T + 3.73L_0 - 2.73L_{100} $$
 
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il27 said:
sorry! the slope is fine right? i think i forgot the y-intercept:
$$L = (\frac{L_{100}-L_0}{100})T + 3.73L_0 - 2.73L_{100} $$
OK. So now you have $$\frac{d\ln{p_s}}{dT}=\frac{L}{RT^2}$$
Now all you need to do is substitute for L, and integrate from T1 to T2.
 
  • #11
Chestermiller said:
OK. So now you have $$\frac{d\ln{p_s}}{dT}=\frac{L}{RT^2}$$
Now all you need to do is substitute for L, and integrate from T1 to T2.
great, thank you! I think when I did the $$ RT^2 $$, that was wrong. i will just integrate:

$$ \frac{dp_s}{dT} = \frac{de_s}{dT} = \frac{L}{T\alpha_v} $$ for the pressure. i will plug in for L. would that be okay?
 
  • #12
il27 said:
great, thank you! I think when I did the $$ RT^2 $$, that was wrong. i will just integrate:

$$ \frac{dp_s}{dT} = \frac{de_s}{dT} = \frac{L}{T\alpha_v} $$ for the pressure. i will plug in for L. would that be okay?
The version with ##RT^2## was correct, and the equation I wrote was correct.
 
  • #13
Chestermiller said:
The version with ##RT^2## was correct, and the equation I wrote was correct.

oh okay, i will use that one then! thank you.
just wondering, what is the $$ \alpha_v $$ that is a constant right?
 
  • #14
il27 said:
oh okay, i will use that one then! thank you.
just wondering, what is the $$ \alpha_v $$ that is a constant right?
No. It’s RT/ps
 
  • #15
Chestermiller said:
No. It’s RT/ps
oh okay. it's 1/density? which is RT/ps?
 
  • #16
il27 said:
oh okay. it's 1/density? which is RT/ps?
Yes, it’s the molar volume of the vapor.
 
  • #17
Chestermiller said:
Yes, it’s the molar volume of the vapor.
great thank you! and m
Chestermiller said:
Yes, it’s the molar volume of the vapor.

and i just wanted to check but my euqation for L is correct?:
$$ L = (\frac{L_{100}-L_0}{100})T + 3.73L_0 - 2.73L_{100} $$
 
  • #18
also, would I be integrating from p0 to p, p0 being 101325 pa, and T1 to T2?
because if i want to find the vaporation pressure using the new equation with the temperature of 20 deg. C, what would be my T1 and T2?
 
  • #19
like if i wanted to:
Use the expression derived in part (a) to recalculate the saturation vapor pressure at 20 °C.
 

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