Deriving y= [x+(x+(sin(x)2))5]3

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function y = [x + (x + (sin(x)²))⁵]³, which involves multiple layers of functions and requires the application of the power and chain rules in calculus.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the complexity of the function due to its layered structure and express uncertainty about where to begin. Some suggest breaking down the problem into manageable parts by introducing temporary variables for subexpressions.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the derivative, with some participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem step by step. Different interpretations of the derivative process are being discussed, and while some participants offer partial derivatives, there is no explicit consensus on the final approach.

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Participants mention the challenge of working with multiple layers in the equation and the need for consistent notation. There is also a reference to the original poster's struggle with examples that only involve a single power, indicating a potential gap in understanding more complex derivatives.

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Find the derivative of y = [x + (x + (sin(x)2))5]3


I know that power and chain rule combined uses the equation
n[g(x)]n-1 * g'(x)

I don't even really know where to start with so many layers in the equation. I can only find examples with only one power. with my attempt I got

3(5x+(sin(x))2)6 * 2sin(x)cos(x)+1
 
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Your resulting expression for the derivative doesn't look correct. These kinds of problems with derivatives are actually very simple if you have some patience and remain consistent with notation. I'll start you off. Let [itex]u_1 = [x + (x + sin^2(x))^5][/itex] then we have that [itex]y = u_1^3[/itex]. Taking the derivative with respect to x we find that,

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = 3u_1 * \frac{du_1}{dx} = 3u_1 \left [\frac{d}{dx}x + \frac{d}{dx}(x + sin^2(x))^5 \right ][/tex]

Now let [itex]u_2 = x + sin^2(x)[/itex] and try to evaluate the rest from here on out.
 
grollio said:
I don't even really know where to start with so many layers in the equation.
Don't be intimindated -- just work one layer at a time.

As you work through the calculation, you may find it useful to give temporary names to subexpressions (as jgens has done) to help you focus on the part you're working on.
 
grollio said:
Find the derivative of y = [x + (x + (sin(x)2))5]3


I know that power and chain rule combined uses the equation
n[g(x)]n-1 * g'(x)

I don't even really know where to start with so many layers in the equation. I can only find examples with only one power. with my attempt I got

3(5x+(sin(x))2)6 * 2sin(x)cos(x)+1

Start by substituting t=x + (x + (sin(x)2))5

y=t3

Now y' = (t3)' * t'

(t3)' is easy to find. The only problem is t' =x' + ((x + (sin(x))2)5)'

x' is easy to find.

Now your problem is z=x + (sin(x))2.

Again find the derivate using the chain rule, and go forward. After nothings left, you will go backward and find the derivative of the equation.

Regards.
 

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