Derving compton effect formula - SIMPLY

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the derivation of the Compton effect formula, with participants expressing varying levels of understanding of the underlying physics concepts, particularly special relativity. The scope includes conceptual clarification and requests for detailed explanations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to derive the Compton effect formula but admits to a lack of proficiency in physics and requests detailed explanations.
  • Another participant questions the initial request for help, suggesting that the original poster should be deriving the formula themselves and inquires about specific problems faced.
  • A participant notes that many textbooks cover the derivation and implies that the original poster should refer to them for guidance.
  • The original poster responds that they cannot follow textbooks and reiterates their request for assistance in deriving the formula.
  • Another participant emphasizes the complexity of providing a full derivation in the forum format and suggests that understanding special relativity is essential before attempting the derivation.
  • The original poster acknowledges the need to learn about special relativity and mentions that their course requires them to be able to derive the formula.
  • A later reply highlights the challenge of providing help without knowing the original poster's current understanding, indicating that explanations may need to be adjusted based on their knowledge level.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a solid understanding of special relativity is necessary for deriving the Compton effect formula. However, there is no consensus on how to assist the original poster effectively, as they struggle with existing resources.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the original poster's self-identified lack of understanding of physics and special relativity, which may hinder their ability to follow more advanced discussions or derivations.

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Hi,

I am trying to derive the compton effect formula.

I am not very good at physics, however, I am trying to get better!

WILL YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN EVERYTHING YOU DO!

Thanks- really appreciated!

:smile:
 
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WILL YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN EVERYTHING YOU DO!
I thought YOU are trying to derive it?
Where did you get problems?

There are many textbooks covering this derivation, you can check them for hints how to do it.
 
Cant follow textbooks

Hi, unfortunately I can't really follow the textbooks- like I said, not very good at physics.

If you could help me out in deriving it, that would be great! thanks
 
mfb said:
Where did you get problems?

Do not expect that someone posts a full derivation here - it is a lot of work, and it would look similar to the derivations in the textbooks, so there is no point in that.

If you don't know the required physics (special relativity), it might be useful if you start learning this first.
 
cool, thanks. Will start my learning what special relativity is. Thanks.

Also, in our lecture course we got told that we should be able to derive this... and so as I couldn't understand more that conservation of momentum, I thought I should ask.
 
https://www.physicsforums.com/blog.php?b=3588

Without knowing what you know and what you don't know, there is no way anyone can present any kind of help. What will inevitably happen is that every time we introduce something which we think you should know, we end up back-tracking because we have to explain that!

Zz.
 
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