Design a shaft considering torsional failure

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The discussion revolves around the design of a shaft considering torsional failure, particularly in the context of a motor and the object it is intended to spin. Participants explore the mathematical formulation for determining the shaft diameter and the parameters involved, while also addressing the relationship between shaft design and coupling design.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to mathematically state the maximum allowable difference in rotational displacements when starting the motor and how to find the diameter of the shaft.
  • Another participant suggests that the concerns of coupling design and shaft design are being mixed, emphasizing that the shaft must withstand specified torque while the coupling addresses angular displacement differences.
  • A different viewpoint agrees that if the load is securely attached to the motor shaft, the maximum torque on the shaft should be considered as the peak motor starting torque, highlighting the importance of safety factors.
  • One participant questions the distinction between torque passing through the shaft and the coupling, suggesting a lack of clarity in the discussion.
  • Another participant notes that shaft and coupling design should consider both peak torque and torsional fatigue, recommending the adoption of an appropriate failure theory based on material and geometry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between shaft design and coupling design, with some asserting that the two are distinct while others challenge this notion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to account for torsional failure and the parameters involved in shaft design.

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Participants have not reached consensus on the definitions and parameters necessary for the design calculations, and there are unresolved questions about the interaction between the shaft and coupling in terms of torque transmission.

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[I've searched the site and did google. I couldn't find a satisfactory answer]
I have the motor characteristics and the moment of inertia of the object I'm supposed to spin with it. I have to design the shaft considering the torsional failure.
Now, if I consider the inertia of the body, there is a small difference in rotational displacements, for example, consider starting the motor. The motor is at spin but the body isn't spinning yet. This yields a torsion to the shaft. What is the maximum value of the "difference" that can be allowed? How do I state these mathematically and find the diameter of the shaft? What are the parameters?
 
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You are likely mixing here the concerns of coupling design and shaft design.
Shaft must withstand the specified torque (torsion), while withstanding rotational (angular) displacement difference and resulting surge of torque is the task of coupling.
 
trurle said:
Shaft must withstand the specified torque (torsion), while withstanding rotational (angular) displacement difference and resulting surge of torque is the task of coupling.
I agree that could be valid if there is a separate coupling device or the load is not securely attached to the motor shaft.
If you assume the load is securely attached, then maximum shaft torque would be the peak motor starting torque. (don't forget safety factors!)
 
trurle said:
You are likely mixing here the concerns of coupling design and shaft design.
Shaft must withstand the specified torque (torsion), while withstanding rotational (angular) displacement difference and resulting surge of torque is the task of coupling.
Is it not true (for some odd reason) that the same torque passes through both the shaft and the coupling? I fail to see the distinction being made here.
 
Usually the design of shafts (and couplings too) is concerned with both peak torque and also torsional fatigue. For the fatigue considerations, you need to adopt an appropriate failure theory (suited to the material and geometry involved) and consider the driven load as a source of torsional excitation as well as the motor.
 
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