Designing a Cap to Stop Fluid Flow from an Underwater Pipe

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around designing a device to stop fluid flow from a 4.1 cm diameter underwater pipe located approximately 10 meters deep. The fluid is trickling out at a pressure of 2 bar, with the goal of creating a cap that can be deployed by a remotely operated vehicle (ROV) and left in place temporarily.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests crimping the pipe as a potential solution but acknowledges that the feasibility depends on the specific details of the pipe.
  • Another proposes a bung that grips the inside of the pipe under pressure, using a flexible tube with a closed end to create friction against the pipe wall.
  • A participant clarifies that crimping is not allowed and emphasizes the need for a cap that can be installed and removed later by divers.
  • Another idea presented involves using a coil spring or woven tube that expands when pushed on but resists removal due to its design, likening it to the mechanics of a condom.
  • One participant expresses intent to research the coil spring concept further, noting that pulling it off may not be an issue, but they must avoid damaging the pipe.
  • A later reply reflects uncertainty about the mechanics involved, questioning whether tension or torsion applies to the spring's behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on the best design approach, with multiple competing ideas and uncertainties about the mechanics involved in each proposed solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants have noted limitations such as the specific rules against crimping and the need to avoid damaging the pipe, which may affect the viability of proposed solutions.

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"Capping" fluid flow from pipe

If there is a 4.1cm diameter pipe located ~10m underwater, with water (negligible volume and mass flow rates - the water is only really trickling out) flowing out of it at 2 bar (so 1 bar difference in water and ambient pressure), does anyone have any rough ideas for a device I could construct to stop the water from flowing?

A suitable ROV has already been constructed; getting this device or "cap" down there is absolutely no problem. But I am completely baffled as to how to actually go about designing this cap!

Help much appreciated.
 
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Um, just crimp it? The answer depends a lot on the details of the pipe.

I guess if you wanted to be clever you could make some kind of bung that grips onto the inside of the pipe under pressure from the water. I imagine some kind of flexible tube with a closed end. If there's enough tube area, then no matter how high the pressure, the friction to the pipe wall can always exceed the force trying to push it out of the pipe.

Well that's assuming it a competition. Might not be so great in the real world with changing pressures and what not.
 


We're not allowed to crimp it, sorry, should have made the rules clearer in my original post. We've got to design a cap that can be brought down with an ROV, installed, and then left for a little while before being taken off by divers.

I'll look into the bung idea, though, thanks!
 


Another possible type of device is something like a coil spring or woven tube slid over the pipe. Pushing it on is easy because when you compress it, the diameter increases. But pulling it off can be very hard because as it's stretched in length, it shrinks in diameter.

Basically the same reason you can't pull a condom off directly. Hell, just use a condom! :P
 


I'll do some research into that (the coil spring thing - not the condom!). Pulling it off isn't our problem, thankfully. As long as we don't damage the pipe.

Thanks for your help, mate.
 


Um, on second thought, I think I've been confusing tension with torsion. Possibly the spring would just pull off coil by coil. However, woven mesh is a different story.
 

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