Estimate pipe diameter based on flow rate

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around estimating the smallest diameter of a complex pipe based on flow rate measurements. Participants explore the implications of pipe diameter variations on flow characteristics, particularly in the context of detecting construction faults in manufacturing.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that a smaller diameter due to a construction fault will lead to a lower flow rate because of higher pressure buildup in that section of the pipe.
  • Another participant mentions that while there is a formula for constant pipe diameters and laminar flow, the basic idea of pressure drop increasing with decreasing diameter holds true under various conditions.
  • There is a question raised about the necessity of knowing the pipe's geometry if it is being manufactured, suggesting that this information should already be available.
  • A participant expresses doubt about the feasibility of measuring the smallest diameter based solely on flow measurements.
  • Another participant asks for specific variables to measure in order to identify internal obstacles in the pipe that may indicate a smaller than normal diameter.
  • A more practical suggestion is made to use a ball with the required minimal radius to test if it can pass through the pipe, as a method to check for blockages.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effectiveness of measuring flow rate to determine the smallest diameter of the pipe. Multiple views on the relationship between diameter, flow rate, and measurement techniques are presented, indicating ongoing uncertainty and debate.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about flow characteristics and the geometry of the pipe, as well as the dependency on specific measurement setups that remain unresolved.

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I'm designing a testing unit where I need to estimate the smallest diameter of a short complex pipe (around 1 meter, three bends and some diameter viariations). Since the pipe is being cooled down in a water bath after production, my idea is to force water with a known pressure in one end of the tube (other end is at pressure of the water bath) and measure the flow rate. I'm assuming that when the smalles diameter of the pipe is much smaller than normal due a construction fault, the flow rate will be lower due to higher pressure buildup in the smallest section of the pipe (like what happens if you almost close the end of your garden hose). However, I'm having troubles proving this. Are my assumptions correct and can someone get me started to prove this?
 
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antonclaeys said:
I'm assuming that when the smalles diameter of the pipe is much smaller than normal due a construction fault, the flow rate will be lower due to higher pressure buildup in the smallest section of the pipe
Pressure drop per length increases if pipe diameter goes down. There is a formula for constant pipe diameters (at least within some length) and laminar flow, but the basic idea stays the same independent of those conditions.

"Large diameter everywhere apart from a spot with small diameter" can still have a better flow than "medium diameter everywhere" - flow does not get a hard limit from some narrow section.
 
I don't understand: if you are manufacturing the pipe, don't you already know the geometry?
 
@mfb:
so you're saying that I probably won't be able to measure this?

@russ_watters:
I'm trying to build this system as a test to verify if the pipe diameter isn't smaller than normal; I'm trying to check for construction faults because sometimes the pipe can be almost fully closed and this won't get noticed early enough in the production process.
 
antonclaeys said:
@mfb:
so you're saying that I probably won't be able to measure this?
What is "this"?

antonclaeys said:
@russ_watters:
I'm trying to build this system as a test to verify if the pipe diameter isn't smaller than normal; I'm trying to check for construction faults because sometimes the pipe can be almost fully closed and this won't get noticed early enough in the production process.
You cannot measure the smallest diameter along the pipe just based on flow measurements.
 
mfb said:
You cannot measure the smallest diameter along the pipe just based on flow measurements.

Which variables do I need to measure to be able to tell if the pipe has internal obstacles due to production errors (and thus has a diameter which is smaller than normal)? Which kind of measurement setup do you propose?
 
Take a ball with the required minimal radius, try to get it through, see if it gets stuck?
 
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