Designing a Cruise Control System Controller with Root Locus Method | Coursework

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The discussion focuses on designing a cruise control system controller using the Root Locus method, despite the method not being part of the course outline. Key challenges include understanding how to manipulate poles and zeros for system stability, interpreting graphical representations of rise time and overshoot, and addressing discrepancies between theoretical calculations and MATLAB simulations. Participants clarify that first-order systems cannot exhibit overshoot due to their exponential response characteristics, and they discuss steady-state error calculations. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly applying formulas and understanding system dynamics to achieve desired performance metrics.
  • #31
Altairs said:
Does that mean that the terms risetime, settling time and overshoot etc have no meaning at all for a pure derivative controller ? But when I think again I get confused that there should be some settling time formula or for overshoot etc. If yes then what is it ?

So what is going to be steady state value in case of pure derivative controller ? Zero, always ?
The settling time is zero.
The ss value can be obtained from the final value theorem. The settling time is the time when response attains 1% or 2% of its final value. In a negative exponent exponential, what is the time when this happens?
 
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  • #32
Altairs said:
And what about PID controller how do I find rise time etc for a PID controller...It has to has some...

Obtain the time response and verify how long does it take from 10% to 90% of ss.
 
  • #33
CEL said:
In a negative exponent exponential, what is the time when this happens?

Indefinite ?
 
  • #34
Altairs said:
Indefinite ?

When isKe^{-\alpha t} equal to 0.01K or 0.02K?
 
  • #35
CEL said:
When isKe^{-\alpha t} equal to 0.01K or 0.02K?

\frac{-ln(0.01)}{\alpha}
 
  • #36
CEL said:
Obtain the time response and verify how long does it take from 10% to 90% of ss.

I have got the steady state value but how do I get the time response ? Laplace Transform ? Isn't there some shorter method ? This is because I have got a zero as well in the PI controller so the general formulae doesn't work..Any approximation ? I don't want to go for any tedious method...
 
  • #37
Altairs said:
I have got the steady state value but how do I get the time response ? Laplace Transform ? Isn't there some shorter method ? This is because I have got a zero as well in the PI controller so the general formulae doesn't work..Any approximation ? I don't want to go for any tedious method...

You must take the inverse tarnsform of the response Y(s). Don't forget that the transform of the step is 1/s, so the s in the denominator cancels the s in the numerator.
 

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