Designing a linear DC power supply

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a linear DC power supply, specifically focusing on the necessary ratings and characteristics for components such as the transformer, bridge rectifier, reservoir capacitor, and regulator. The context includes calculations for voltage requirements, diode drops, and ripple voltage, as well as considerations for heat sinks.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the minimum secondary winding peak voltage needed for a 12 V, 2 A regulated power supply, considering diode drops and regulator headroom.
  • Another participant questions whether the diode drop and regulator headroom values should be in RMS or if they are already assumed to be in that form.
  • A participant discusses the need for the peak voltage to exceed the minimum required for the regulator, factoring in ripple voltage and diode drops.
  • There is mention of the difference in forward voltage drops between power diodes and signal diodes, suggesting a range of 1.2-1.5 V for power diodes.
  • One participant outlines a detailed procedure for designing the power supply, emphasizing the iterative nature of the process and the importance of calculating ripple voltage and capacitance.
  • Another participant suggests that the voltage calculated for the regulator's minimum input should be higher than initially specified to accommodate various factors, including ripple voltage.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate values for diode drops and the treatment of ripple voltage in calculations. There is no consensus on the exact approach to take, and multiple competing views remain regarding the design process and calculations involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the design process is iterative and that assumptions about voltage drops and ripple need careful consideration. The discussion highlights the complexity of ensuring that all factors are accounted for in the design of the power supply.

Whiley

Homework Statement


Design, giving the necessary ratings and characteristics necessary for the transformer, bridge rectifier, reservoir capacitor and regulator, a 12 V, 2 A regulated power supply. Also identify any heat sink requirements. The available mains supply is 230 V ±10% @ 50 Hz.

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The Attempt at a Solution


So far I have:
Desired output + diode drop + allowance for regulator +10%variation in supply
(12V+1.4V+2V)+10%=16.94V RMS
minimum Vs_peak=16.94(sqr(2))=24V
 
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I have so far gone as far as working out the minimum secondary winding peak voltage.
I have 2 answers working differently so I would like to clear something up before I can proceed.

I have used in the method posted above 1.4V for diode drops and 2V for regulator headroom. My calculations are done in RMS before finding the peak. Should I change the 1.4V and 2V to RMS or are they assumed to be already?
 
Whiley said:
I have used in the method posted above 1.4V for diode drops and 2V for regulator headroom. My calculations are done in RMS before finding the peak. Should I change the 1.4V and 2V to RMS or are they assumed to be already?

No see below.

Whiley said:
So far I have:
Desired output + diode drop + allowance for regulator +10%variation in supply

The output of a bridge rectifier and capacitor looks like this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripple_(electrical)
400px-Smoothed_ripple_gray_background.svg.png


At the bottom of the ripple the voltage must still be above the minimum needed for the regulator so you need something like..

Peak voltage = Desired output + headroom for regulator + ripple voltage + diode drops

If you use a big enough capacitor to make the ripple small you can approximate the ripple voltage using..
I = CdV/dt (which comes from Q = CV)
so
dV = Idt/C

You know I is 2A, you know approximate dt from the period of the waveform. Pick a value of C to give you a modest ripple voltage.
 
Also.. Power diodes typically have a higher forward voltage than signal diodes. Could be 1.2-1.5V per diode rather than 0.7V. Perhaps have a look at a few data sheets for diodes in the 2-10A range.
 
CWatters said:
Also.. Power diodes typically have a higher forward voltage than signal diodes. Could be 1.2-1.5V per diode rather than 0.7V. Perhaps have a look at a few data sheets for diodes in the 2-10A range.

Thanks for your reply, I didnt consider the ripple before, thanks I will work on that. As for the diodes, the lessons state approx 0.7V drop in reference to power supply applications. I will have another look, perhaps its mentioned and I missed it.
 
CWatters said:
Also.. Power diodes typically have a higher forward voltage than signal diodes. Could be 1.2-1.5V per diode rather than 0.7V. Perhaps have a look at a few data sheets for diodes in the 2-10A range.
Also... the reason I hadn't considered ripple is because i am following the following procedure:

1. Define the desired d.c. output voltage, VO, and the maximum current, IO, that the supply is to provide.

2. Select a regulator for the desired output voltage that is capable of delivering the required current.

3. Note the minimum allowable input voltage to the regulator (or allow at least 2 V above the regulated output voltage, i.e , VO + 2 V).

4. Determine the minimum peak secondary voltage of the transformer, allowing for 2 V dropped across the bridge and a possible 10% supply voltage variation. The rms secondary voltage will be of the peak value.

5. Select a suitable transformer to give at least this secondary voltage and suitable VA rating.*

6. Calculate the maximum rectified voltage presented to the input of the regulator. This will be on no load, i.e. an added percentage for poor transformer regulation and + 10% for voltage supply variation. 1 2 28 Teesside University Open Learning (Engineering) © Teesside University 2011

7. Calculate the maximum ripple voltage.

8. Calculate the minimum capacitance of the smoothing capacitor.

9. Calculate the capacitor ripple current.

10. Select a suitable capacitor.

etc..
 
That procedure isn't bad but its normally more of an iterative process..

The voltage you calculate at step 3 is a lower limit below which the linear regulator stops working or "drops out". So you cannot specify that as the peak voltage. You must shoot for a higher peak voltage to allow for the diodes, the issues mentioned in step 6 (10%) and a budgetary estimate for the ripple voltage (perhaps 1V).

Steps 7 and 8 are usually done together. For example you normally calculate the minimum capacitance required to reduce the ripple voltage below the value you budgeted for earlier. Then you round up the calculated capacitance to the nearest standard value and finally recalculate the actual ripple current that will occur with the chosen capacitor.
 

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