Designing a Spaceframe Chassis: What Forces Should You Consider?

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The discussion revolves around the design of a spaceframe chassis for a car, focusing on the materials, structural integrity, and forces that need to be considered during the design process. Participants share their insights on design improvements, structural requirements, and practical considerations for building the chassis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares their design concept, which includes a transverse rear-mounted engine and a central seating arrangement, seeking advice on improvements and concerns.
  • Another participant questions the adequacy of using 1.5" square tubing for the chassis, suggesting that it may be too thin and proposing the idea of welding multiple pieces to create a stronger I-beam section.
  • Some participants emphasize the need for increased triangulation in the design and suggest that more tubing may be necessary, referencing a site that provides plans using 100' of tubing.
  • One participant advises removing the roof from the design, arguing that it would not provide sufficient strength and would consume too much material.
  • A suggestion is made to estimate the magnitude and direction of forces acting on the chassis while the vehicle is in motion, recommending the creation of a space diagram to visualize these forces.
  • Another participant highlights the importance of designing the chassis to carry forces efficiently, suggesting that frame pieces should align with the direction of significant forces.
  • There is a mention of practical considerations for assembly and maintenance in the design process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adequacy of the proposed materials and design elements, with no consensus reached on the best approach for the chassis design. Multiple competing perspectives on structural requirements and design strategies remain evident.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion simplifies complex design considerations, indicating that a real-world design would involve additional factors for minimizing weight and ensuring structural integrity.

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I have about 60 12' lengths of 1.5" by 1.5" square steel tubing, and I would like to create a car chassis with it. The design I have come up with so far has a transverse rear mounted engine, and a central seating position with 3 seats behind the driver (1+3). I have posted some pictures of my design in the discussion thread I have linked to this post. Any advice with my project, improvements that could be made to my chassis design, or concerns regarding my design would be appreciated. http://hooniverse.com/2015/07/15/last-call-its-a-family-affair-edition/#disqus_thread
 
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car_door said:
I have about 60 12' lengths of 1.5" by 1.5" square steel tubing, and I would like to create a car chassis with it. The design I have come up with so far has a transverse rear mounted engine, and a central seating position with 3 seats behind the driver (1+3). I have posted some pictures of my design in the discussion thread I have linked to this post. Any advice with my project, improvements that could be made to my chassis design, or concerns regarding my design would be appreciated. http://hooniverse.com/2015/07/15/last-call-its-a-family-affair-edition/#disqus_thread

Welcome to the PF.

Your link takes me to a very strange and spammy place. Can you just upload your design to this PF thread instead please?

Also, 1.5" is way to thin for a vehicle frame -- are you going to weld several pieces together to make a full-size I-Beam section?
 
car_door said:
I have about 60 12' lengths of 1.5" by 1.5" square steel tubing, and I would like to create a car chassis with it.
As said on the page you linked, you need a lot more triangulation. You might also need more tubing - this site has plans and a cuts list that uses 100'.

berkeman said:
Also, 1.5" is way to thin for a vehicle frame -- are you going to weld several pieces together to make a full-size I-Beam section?
Then you would have an I-beam chassis not a spaceframe. 1" square 16 gauge is plenty.
 
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You need to ditch the roof, it will never be strong enough to provide any protection and uses too much tube.
 
Cadillac built a 4 liter v8 transverse mounted engine , I always thought that would make a great mid engine car .
 
Start in a different place .

Estimate magnitude and direction of all forces acting on chassis when vehicle is moving . Many cases but choose a representative one .

Draw a space diagram of these forces .

Design space frame chassis of adequate strength to carry these forces .

There are usually some forces much larger than others . Start with these and as far as possible if a force acts on a line from A to B then design in frame piece(s) on same line A to B . Force is then carried directly and in a weight efficient manner .

Consider practicality of access for personel , assembly and maintenance .

The above is much simplified . In a real design for minimum weight many more things are taken into account .

For your purpose perhaps try doing some of the above on an intuitive basis - attempt to visualise the forces acting and then design a chassis to carry these forces effectively .
 
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