Designing a Thermometer to Measure Negative Temperature

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The original poster attempts to construct a thermometer capable of measuring negative temperatures, a concept that raises questions about the nature of temperature measurement in non-standard conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants mention existing thermometer types that can measure negative temperatures, such as mercury thermometers and thermocouples. Others question the specifics of the measurement, including the temperature scale and the extent of negativity. There is also a discussion about the stability of negative temperature systems and their equilibrium with thermometers.

Discussion Status

The discussion is exploring various interpretations of negative temperature, with some participants providing examples of systems that exhibit this phenomenon. There is no explicit consensus yet, but the conversation is delving into the complexities of measuring temperature in these contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of negative absolute temperature and its distinction from conventional temperature measurements. The original poster's lack of clarity on the specific requirements for the thermometer adds to the complexity of the discussion.

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My homework problem says to construct a thermometer which could accurately measure a negative temperature. I have no idea how to do this. Any help would be very appreciated!
 
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ummm... mercury thermometers measure negative temperatures. So do thermocouples and Pt100/1000s.

what are you going for? How negative and in what unit °C/°F/K(can't be negative, but hey)?
 
Hmmm... interesting question. My first thought is that negative temperature systems (such as excited lasing media) are not stable and won't come into equilibrium with a thermometer so you couldn't measure their temperature in this way.
 
redargon said:
ummm... mercury thermometers measure negative temperatures. So do thermocouples and Pt100/1000s.

what are you going for? How negative and in what unit °C/°F/K(can't be negative, but hey)?

My assumption is that he is referring to negative absolute temperature. This describes a system where the entropy decreases as the total energy increases. The arch-example is where you reverse the magnetic field for a system of spins which have previously been cooled near absolute zero. But the most common example occurs in pumped lasers. It is in this negative temperature regime where you get actual amplification.

It is not temperature in the usual sense of equilibrium with the environment but in the statistical mechanics sense and in the direction of flow of heat sense. Negative temperature systems tend to cool further until the temp jumps past -infinity.
 

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