Determinant of 4 x 4 Upper-triangle: 36

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The discussion revolves around finding the determinant of a 4x4 upper triangular matrix. Participants are exploring various methods including cofactor expansion and row reduction, while noting discrepancies in their results.

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  • Participants describe attempts to calculate the determinant using different methods, including upper triangular reduction, cofactor expansion, and software tools. There are questions about the accuracy of results obtained through manual calculations versus those from a calculator.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations of the determinant's value, with some participants expressing confidence in the result of 36, while others highlight inconsistencies in their manual calculations. Guidance is being offered through various methods, but no consensus has been reached.

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Ok, I have gotten different answers by reducing to an upper triangle, co-factor, and my calculator. All 3 giving me different answers!

|Upper-triangle| = lol, was looking at the wrong problem ... I did get 36.
|Co-factor reduction mobob| = uh i keep messing it up
|Calculator| = 36

1 2 3 0
2 6 6 1
-1 0 0 3
0 2 0 7

Expanding using row 3

(a)
-1
2 3 0
6 6 1
2 0 7

(b)
-3
1 2 3
2 6 6
0 2 0

Expanding once again to reduce it to a 2 x 2

(a)
-1 times determinant of these 2 x 2

2
3 0
6 1

7
2 3
6 6

(b)
-3

-2
1 3
2 6
 
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Maxima, the free computer software of my choice, says 36. Doing it by hand the determinant of your first 3x3 is -36. The determinant of the second 3x3 is 0.
 
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Dick said:
Maxima, the free computer software of my choice, says 36.
Ok the book answer has to be wrong then.
 
I really think it is 36.
 
"Row reduction" reduces that matrix to
[tex]\left[\begin{array}{cccc}1 & 2 & 3 & 0 \\0 & 2 & 0 & 1 \\ 0 & 0 & 3 & 2 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 6[/tex]
and the product along the diagonal is 36.
 

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