Determinant of linear transformation

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The discussion centers on finding the determinant of a linear transformation T applied to symmetric 2x2 matrices. Participants explore methods to express T as a matrix, debating whether to use a 4x4 or 3x3 representation based on the properties of symmetric matrices. There is confusion regarding the addition of matrices and the commutation of matrix multiplication. A suggested approach involves using a basis for 2x2 matrices to derive a 4x4 matrix representation of T, which can then be used to calculate the determinant. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly structuring the problem to find an accurate solution.
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Homework Statement



symmetric 2 × 2 matrices to V.Find the determinant of the linear transformation T(M)=[1,2,2,3]M+[1,2,2,3] from the space V of symmetric 2 × 2 matrices to V.




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hi this is my first post so if I break a rule please let me know so I can correct the issue. also is there some way to present the problems the way they are given in the text.

in this problem would you add the two matrices together and then multiple by a single M? for example [1,2,2,3]+[1,2,2,3]=[2,4,4,6]M=(2M*6M)-(4M*4M)=-4?
 
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The obvious way to do it is to write T as a 4x4 matrix using a basis of the 2x2 matrices, but there may be a more clever way. You could also write it as a 3x3 using the fact the matrices are symmetric. Welcome to the forum, riordo. You originally wrote [1,2,2,3]M+M[1,2,2,3], right? And you do mean [1,2,2,3]=[[1,2],[2,3]] as a symmetric 2x2 matrix, yes?
 
yes..thank you.
 
what would the 4x4 matrix look like? if you add a 2x2 matrix to another 2x2 matrix the solution is a 2x2 matrix...[[1,2],[2,3]]+[[1,2],[2,3]]=[[2,4],[4,6]]...right?
 
Sure. But in your problem, if I write it is as T(M)=A*M+M*A where A=[[1,2],[2,3]] you don't even know that A and M commute. So you can't write A*M+M*A as 2*A*M. And besides the matrix representation of T isn't 2x2. To do it directly a basis for 2x2 matrices is [[1,0],[0,0]], [[0,1],[0,0]], [[0,0],[1,0]] and [[0,0],[0,1]]. If you write M as a linear combination of those you can work out T as a 4x4 matrix. And then take the determinant of that 4x4. As I said, I'm not promising this is the easiest way. But it will work.
 
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