Proving a statement about the rank of transformations

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The discussion revolves around proving a statement related to the ranks of linear transformations, specifically the relationship between the ranks of two transformations and their composition. The participants are examining the ranks of transformations defined between vector spaces, focusing on the implications of nullity and the dimensions of the involved spaces.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to prove inequalities involving the ranks of transformations and their compositions. They explore various proofs and theorems, questioning the validity of assumptions regarding kernels and nullities. Some participants suggest using general formulas related to dimensions and ranks, while others express uncertainty about specific inequalities and their implications.

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The discussion is ongoing, with multiple attempts to clarify and prove the relationships between the ranks of the transformations. Some participants have provided insights and references to theorems that may support the proof, while others are still grappling with the assumptions and implications of their arguments. There is a collaborative effort to refine the understanding of the concepts involved.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the types of solutions they can provide or seek. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationships between the ranks and nullities of the transformations involved, as well as the implications of their compositions.

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Homework Statement


How to prove ##max\{0, \rho(\sigma)+\rho(\tau)-m\}\leq \rho(\tau\sigma)\leq min\{\rho(\tau), \rho(\sigma)\}##?

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Let ##\sigma:U\rightarrow V## and ##\tau:V\rightarrow W## such that ##dimU=n##, ##dimV=m##. Define ##v(\tau)## to be the nullity of ##\tau##, ##\sigma## and ##\tau## are linear transformations, and ##\rho## means rank of the linear transformation

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proof (attempt 1):

By Corollary 1.11, ##\rho(\sigma)=\rho(\tau\sigma)+v(\tau)$ $\Leftrightarrow## ##\rho(\sigma)-v(\tau)=\rho(\tau\sigma)##. Note that ##v(\tau)\leq m## \begin{align}\Rightarrow \rho(\sigma)-m &\leq \rho(\tau\sigma)\\ \Rightarrow \rho(\sigma)-(\rho(\tau)+v(\tau)) &\leq \rho(\tau\sigma)\\ \Rightarrow \rho(\sigma)-\rho(\tau)-m &\leq \rho(\tau\sigma)\end{align}

proof (attempt 2):

By Corollary 1.11, ##\rho(\sigma)-m\leq \rho(\tau\sigma)##. This implies ##\rho(\sigma)-m+\rho(\tau)\leq\rho(\tau\sigma)+\rho(\tau)\Rightarrow \rho(\sigma)+\rho(\tau)-m\leq\rho(\tau\sigma)+\rho(\tau)##.

I am stuck. Is it possible to this relationship intuitively?
 
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Say we have ##U_n \stackrel{\sigma}{\longrightarrow} V_m \stackrel{\tau}{\longrightarrow} W_k##.

Then - I think - we already have the general formulas ##n=\rho(\sigma) + \nu(\sigma)\, , \,n=\rho(\tau \sigma) + \nu(\tau \sigma)## and ##m=\rho(\tau) + \nu(\tau)##. Now all you need is some substitution and ##\nu(\tau \sigma) \leq \nu(\sigma)+\nu(\tau)##. The second inequality is more or less obvious as you cannot gain linear independent vectors by a transformation. The images can only shrink.
 
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Using the general formulas... please check the proof that follows:
Note that ##\rho(\sigma)+\rho(\tau)-m=\rho(\sigma)-(m-\rho(\tau))=\rho(\sigma)-v(\tau)## and ##\rho(\tau\sigma)+v(\tau\sigma)=n\Rightarrow \rho(\tau\sigma)=n=v(\tau\sigma)##. By Theorem 1.4., ##\rho(\sigma)\leq min\{m,n\}\Rightarrow \rho(\sigma)\leq n\Rightarrow \rho(\sigma)-v(\tau)\leq n-v(\tau)##. Since ##K(\tau\sigma)\subset K(\tau)\Rightarrow v(\tau\sigma)\leq v(\tau)\Rightarrow -v(\tau\sigma)\geq -v(\tau)##. Then \begin{align}n-v(\tau)\leq n-v(\tau\sigma)&\Rightarrow \rho(\sigma)-v(\tau)\leq n-v(\tau\sigma)\\&\Rightarrow \rho(\sigma)-(m-\rho(\tau))\leq \rho(\tau\sigma)\\&\Rightarrow \rho(\sigma)+\rho(\tau)-m\leq \rho(\tau\sigma)\end{align}
and ##\rho(\tau\sigma)\leq min\{\rho(\sigma),\rho(\tau)\}## directly follows from Theorem 1.4.
##\Bbb{Q.E.D.}##
 
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fresh_42 said:
Now all you need is some substitution and ν(τσ)≤ν(σ)+ν(τ)
I don't know how this inequality gets into the picture, but it's part of the next proof i want to write so.. proving the inequality i have:
##K(\tau\sigma)=K(\tau\vert_{\sigma(U_{n})})\Rightarrow K(\tau\sigma)\subset K(\tau)\Rightarrow v(\tau\sigma)\leq v(\tau)\Rightarrow v(\tau\sigma)\leq v(\tau)+v(\sigma)##
 
Terrell said:
Using the general formulas... please check the proof that follows:
Note that ##\rho(\sigma)+\rho(\tau)-m=\rho(\sigma)-(m-\rho(\tau))=\rho(\sigma)-v(\tau)## and ##\rho(\tau\sigma)+v(\tau\sigma)=n\Rightarrow \rho(\tau\sigma)=n=v(\tau\sigma)##.
Typo.
By Theorem 1.4., ##\rho(\sigma)\leq min\{m,n\}\Rightarrow \rho(\sigma)\leq n\Rightarrow \rho(\sigma)-v(\tau)\leq n-v(\tau)##. Since ##K(\tau\sigma)\subset K(\tau)\Rightarrow v(\tau\sigma)\leq v(\tau)\Rightarrow -v(\tau\sigma)\geq -v(\tau)##.
Assuming ##K## shall denote the kernel, we have ##K(\tau \sigma) \subseteq U_n## and ##K(\tau) \subseteq V_m\,,## so how can ##K(\tau\sigma)\subset K(\tau)## be?
Furthermore, let's assume ##n>m>0\, , \,V_m=W_k\, , \,\tau = \operatorname{id}|_{V_m}## and ##\sigma = 0##. Then ##\nu(\tau \sigma) = n > m > 0 = \nu(\tau)##.
Then \begin{align}n-v(\tau)\leq n-v(\tau\sigma)&\Rightarrow \rho(\sigma)-v(\tau)\leq n-v(\tau\sigma)\\&\Rightarrow \rho(\sigma)-(m-\rho(\tau))\leq \rho(\tau\sigma)\\&\Rightarrow \rho(\sigma)+\rho(\tau)-m\leq \rho(\tau\sigma)\end{align}
and ##\rho(\tau\sigma)\leq min\{\rho(\sigma),\rho(\tau)\}## directly follows from Theorem 1.4.
 
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Terrell said:
I don't know how this inequality gets into the picture, but it's part of the next proof i want to write so.. proving the inequality i have:
##K(\tau\sigma)=K(\tau\vert_{\sigma(U_{n})})\Rightarrow K(\tau\sigma)\subset K(\tau)\Rightarrow v(\tau\sigma)\leq v(\tau)\Rightarrow v(\tau\sigma)\leq v(\tau)+v(\sigma)##
See my previous correction.
 
fresh_42 said:
how can K(τσ)⊂K(τ)K(τσ)⊂K(τ)K(\tau\sigma)\subset K(\tau) be?
I think I ran into trouble here by assuming that ##K(\tau\sigma)=K(\tau\vert_{\sigma(U_n)})##, where ##K(\tau\vert_{\sigma(U_n)})## means Kernel of ##\tau## strictly on ##\sigma(U_n)##. It's an incorrect assumption? Because certainly, ##K(\tau\vert_{\sigma(U_n)})\subset K(\tau)##.
 
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Then - I think - we already have the general formulas n=ρ(σ)+ν(σ),n=ρ(τσ)+ν(τσ)n=ρ(σ)+ν(σ),n=ρ(τσ)+ν(τσ)n=\rho(\sigma) + \nu(\sigma)\, , \,n=\rho(\tau \sigma) + \nu(\tau \sigma) and m=ρ(τ)+ν(τ)m=ρ(τ)+ν(τ)m=\rho(\tau) + \nu(\tau). Now all you need is some substitution and ν(τσ)≤ν(σ)+ν(τ)ν(τσ)≤ν(σ)+ν(τ)\nu(\tau \sigma) \leq \nu(\sigma)+\nu(\tau).
I think this is the way to go. Now to show ##v(\tau\sigma)\leq v(\tau)+v(\sigma)##, I started by defining ##K(\tau\sigma)=\{\zeta\in U_n\mid \sigma(\zeta)\in K(\tau)\lor \sigma(\zeta)=0_V\}##.
 
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Terrell said:
I think I ran into trouble here by assuming that ##K(\tau\sigma)=K(\tau\vert_{\sigma(U_n)})##, where ##K(\tau\vert_{\sigma(U_n)})## means Kernel of ##\tau## strictly on ##\sigma(U_n)##. It's an incorrect assumption? Because certainly, ##K(\tau\vert_{\sigma(U_n)})\subset K(\tau)##.
Yes, but not the first assumption on ##K(\tau \sigma)##. That's why I wrote ##\nu(\tau \sigma) \leq \nu(\tau) + \nu(\sigma)##, if a vector is sent to zero by a composite function, then either by the first or by the second, so the sum is the secure side. But your argumentation is fine for the second inequality in your initial post, and with images instead of kernels. ##\operatorname{im}(\tau \sigma) \subseteq \operatorname{im}(\tau)## gives one inequality, and that the ##\tau## cannot increase the rank of ##\sigma## gives the other inequality which is needed for the minimum.
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Do you think my current approach is futile?
No, just a bit more cautious. I think you've been on the right track. Just substitute all three ranks by the formula ##\rho(\alpha)+\nu(\alpha)=\dim X## for a ##\alpha:X \rightarrow \,\ldots## and then use what I said above and in post #2: ##\nu(\tau \sigma)\leq \nu(\tau) + \nu(\sigma)##.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Yes, but not the first assumption on K(τσ)K(τσ)K(\tau \sigma). That's why I wrote ν(τσ)≤ν(τ)+ν(σ)
So ##K(\tau\vert_{\sigma(U_n)})=K(\tau\sigma)##?
 
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Terrell said:
So ##K(\tau\vert_{\sigma(U_n)})=K(\tau\sigma)##?
Is this correct with ##\sigma =0## and ##\tau = \operatorname{id}\,##?
 
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I found the perfect theorem from the book I'm working on that fits the proof, perfectly!
By that theorem, ##\rho(\sigma)=\rho(\tau\sigma)+dim[\sigma(U)\cap K(\tau)]## \begin{align}\Rightarrow dim[\sigma(U)\cap K(\tau)]&=\rho(\sigma)-\rho(\tau\sigma)\\&=(n-v(\sigma))-(n-v(\sigma))\\&=v(\tau\sigma)-v(\sigma)\\&=dim[K(\tau\vert_{\sigma(U_n)})]\\&=v(\tau\vert_{\sigma(U_n)})\\ \Rightarrow v(\tau\sigma)=v(\tau\vert_{\sigma(U_n)}+v(\sigma)\leq v(\tau)+v(\sigma).\end{align} ##\Bbb{Q.E.D.}##
 

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