Determinants homework question

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The discussion revolves around calculating the determinant of a 3x3 matrix, exploring the rules and signs involved in the process. Participants are examining the implications of positive and negative multiplications within the determinant calculation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the determinant calculation process, questioning the signs and operations involved. There is confusion regarding the interpretation of positive and negative multiplications and how they affect the determinant's value.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering insights and questioning each other's interpretations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the determinant calculation, but there remains a lack of consensus on certain aspects, particularly regarding the rules applied in the multiplication process.

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There are references to specific rules from textbooks and potential typos in the original matrix representation. Participants are also grappling with how to express matrix operations clearly in the forum format.

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determinants and the positive and negetive parts off the equation.

ive had a couple say they change when they are worked out.

on a second order process off mulitiplying diagonally

1 (-1 -11) - -3(1 -11) + -3(2 -1)
(1 5) (3 5) (3 1 )

they are joined together and matrics above


1(-5+11) +3(10 +33)-3(2+3)
= 6+3(43)-3(5)
=6+129-15=135-15=120

ANs 120

+\ mulitiply -1*5 and the -/ mulitpy1*11 making the 1(-5+11) would it not be 1-(5 -11) as the rule imforms you.


 
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morbello said:
determinants and the positive and negetive parts off the equation.

ive had a couple say they change when they are worked out.

on a second order process off mulitiplying diagonally

1 (-1 -11) - -3(1 -11) + -3(2 -1)
(1 5) (3 5) (3 1 )

they are joined together and matrics above
It's very difficult to figure out what you are trying to say here.
I think you mean that you want to find the determinant
[tex]\left|\begin{array}{ccc}1 & -3 & -3\\2 & -1 & -11\\3 & 1 & 5\end{array}\right|[/tex]
(that "1" in "(1 -11)" is a typo, isn't it?)

1(-5+11) +3(10 +33)-3(2+3)
= 6+3(43)-3(5)
=6+129-15=135-15=120

ANs 120
Yes, that is correct.

+\ mulitiply -1*5 and the -/ mulitpy1*11 making the 1(-5+11) would it not be 1-(5 -11) as the rule imforms you.
What rule? 1(-5+ 11)= (-1)(5- 11) since 1(6)= (-1)(-6) but 1-(5-11) means 1 subtract 11 which is certainly wrong.
 


in the matrics

-1 *5 is a positve multiplication and 1 *-11 is a negitive mulitiplication across the matric would this not effect the answer in the bracets or would allways be 1(-5+11)

im still trying to work out how to write up on here the brackets for a matice but thank you for your help.
 


I don't understand what you mean by a "positive multiplication" or a "negative multiplilcation". a(b+ c)= ab+ bc no matter what a, b, and c are.
 


in the book I am studying it has a diagonal mulityplication system ie were 1 and -11 are the top row and 1 and 5 are the bottom row.

so top right is mulitiplyed with bottom left. do you see what i mean and what i wanted to know was there a main reason that or what made the addition or subtraction as a result off the mulitiply in the 1(-5+11)
 

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