Determination of delivery pressure from pump

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The discussion revolves around determining the delivery pressure of a centrifugal pump in a system with multiple spray nozzles. Participants explore the relationship between pump performance, pipe characteristics, and pressure readings at the delivery end, while also considering how to select a pump that meets specific pressure requirements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the setup involving a centrifugal pump, a 2" pipeline, and a manifold with approximately 70 spray nozzles, noting unexpected pressure readings from a mounted gauge.
  • Another participant requests a system diagram detailing pipe lengths, diameters, elevations, and specifics about the liquid being pumped, including temperature and nozzle specifications.
  • A later reply provides additional details about the system, including the diameter of the pipe, elevation of the pressure gauge, and characteristics of the liquid and nozzles.
  • One participant performs calculations suggesting that the total flow through the nozzles correlates to a specific pressure, proposing that the nozzle flow is proportional to the square root of the pressure.
  • Another participant inquires about the pump's maximum delivery rate, indicating a need for further clarification on pump performance.
  • Further responses emphasize the importance of plotting the pump curve and nozzle flow curve to better understand the system dynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on how to approach the problem, with some suggesting calculations and graphical representations while others seek more detailed system information. No consensus is reached on the exact method for determining the delivery pressure or selecting a suitable pump.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of specific parameters such as the liquid's temperature, specific gravity, and the characteristics of the spray nozzles, which may influence the calculations and overall system performance.

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This discussion may be useful for engineers, technicians, or students involved in fluid dynamics, pump selection, or system design in applications involving centrifugal pumps and spray systems.

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We want to know how can we determine the pressure of the liquid at the delivery end of the pump. We have a centrifugal pump and a 2" pipeline at the delivery end. Pump delivery performance as per catalog is 510LPM @20 mtr head to 348LPM @36mtr head.

The delivery pipe is connected to a manifold on which spray nozzles are connected around 70 Nos.
The total length of pipe from the pump outlet to the spray manifold will be approx 5 metres of which 1.5mtr is vertical & remaining horizontal.

We have mounted a pressure gauge on the line which gives a constant reading of 0.6-0.8 Kg/cm2 which is lower is lower than our expectations from a 5HP pump.

When we block the line just before the manifold, the gauge shows a reading of 3.5-4 kg/cm2.

Kindly help us determine the process of finding out the pressure in the line.

Also, If I have to select a pump that constantly delivers liquid at 3 Kg/Cm2, how do I go about the selection?
 
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We need a system diagram that shows length and diameter of the piping, and elevations of the pressure gauge and the free surface of whatever you are pumping from. Also, what is the liquid? If not water, we need specific gravity and viscosity. If water, what is the temperature? What is the make and model number of the spray nozzles, or their rated pressure vs flow rate.
 
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jrmichler said:
We need a system diagram that shows length and diameter of the piping, and elevations of the pressure gauge and the free surface of whatever you are pumping from. Also, what is the liquid? If not water, we need specific gravity and viscosity. If water, what is the temperature? What is the make and model number of the spray nozzles, or their rated pressure vs flow rate.

Thanks for the reply. I have enclosed a schematic of the process with relevant dimensions.

In brief,
Diameter of the pipe - 50mm or 2"
Elevation of pressure gauge from ground - 1700mm
Length of pipe - mentioned in diagram
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Liquid - Water
Temperature - 60-70 degree Celsius
Nozzle Rated pressure - 2 Bar @ 10 LPM
Total no. of nozzles - Approx 80

The pump characteristics are also enclosed in an image. The one marked in red is the pump I am using.
pump.jpeg


Thanks.
 

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Some quick calculations: 80 nozzles X 10 LPM = 800 LPM at 2 bar = about 2 kg/cm^2.

You can take it from here with the following suggestions:
1) Plot the pump curve (hand sketch is good enough) with flow on the horizontal axis and TDH (head) on the vertical axis.
2) Nozzle flow is proportional to the square root of the pressure. Plot the nozzle flow curve on the pump curve.
 
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What is the pump's maximum delivery rate regardless of head?
 
Your question, and several other questions that you have not yet thought of, will be answered when you draw the pump curve, and add the nozzle flow curve to it. Post the curves here if you still have questions.
 
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