Determine Force on 6ft Door Due to Water & Air Pressure

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The discussion revolves around determining the total force and its direction acting on a 6-foot wide door due to water and air pressure. The problem involves calculating forces based on fluid mechanics principles, specifically focusing on pressure exerted by water and atmospheric conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of pressure from water and air, questioning how to incorporate atmospheric pressure into their calculations. There are attempts to clarify the equations used for pressure and force conversion, with some participants seeking to understand the implications of their calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and clarifying the equations needed. Some guidance has been provided regarding the correct equations to use, but there is no consensus on the calculations leading to the final force value.

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Participants note the presence of atmospheric pressure at the water's surface and the need to account for it in their calculations. There is also mention of a discrepancy between calculated and expected results, indicating potential misunderstandings in the application of the principles involved.

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Homework Statement


Determine the total force and its direction (left or right) due to water and air pressure in the surface shown in Fig. P3.62 (lb f). The door is hinged at the top and is 6 feet wide. See attached image.

Homework Equations


Fp (force of pressure) = specific weight of fluid * depth to center of gravity * Area
P=F/A
Pg (gauge pressure) = specific weight of fluid * depth
Specific weight of water = 62.4 lb/ft^2
lbf = pounds of force

The Attempt at a Solution


I first tried to find the force of pressure from the water acting on the side of the door...
Fp = (62.4 lbf/ft^2)*(3ft+2.5ft)*(5ft)*(6ft)
Fp = 10296 lbf
I then thought that if I added the force of pressure from the water acting on the side of the door to the force of pressure from the air acting on the side of the door, I would be able to find the total force. I first converted 2 atm to lbf/ft^2...
2 atm * (0.0209 lb/ft^3)/(9.869x10^-3 atm) = 4235.48 lbf/ft^2
I then tried to find force using this pressure...
F = PA = (4235.48 lbf/ft^2)*(5ft)*(6ft)
At this point, my professor told me that I was solving it wrong.
 

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Note that at the top of the water there is atmospheric pressure of 1 atm.

(Welcome to PF!)
 
So how do I take the atmospheric pressure into account? What would this do to my calculations?
 
How do you find the pressure at a point in the water at a depth h?
 
So I would need to use the Equation P=Pa+(specific gravity of water)*(h) ?
 
MiMiCiCi22 said:
So I would need to use the Equation P=Pa+(specific gravity of water)*(h) ?
Yes [with "specific gravity" replaced by "specific weight"]
 
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So I found the pressure for the water side of the door using the equation mentioned earlier. I then converted it to force using the equation F=PA. For the side with air, I converted 2 atm to lb f. I then used F=PA to convert this pressure to force. I'm currently getting a net force of 73829 acting to the left, however the correct answer is that there should be -53.184 lb f acting to the right. I'm confused as to where I may have made a mistake.
 
Please show the details of your calculation for the force due to the water.
 

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