Determine state of particle: Quantum Mechanics (Phase)

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The discussion revolves around understanding quantum mechanics concepts related to the state of a particle, specifically focusing on phase factors and probability amplitudes in quantum states.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the reasoning behind the choice of phase factors in quantum states and question the derivation of probability values associated with different states.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's questions, seeking clarification on complex notation and the interpretation of quantum states. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between different representations of states and their probabilities.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the notation used for complex numbers and the implications of arbitrary phase choices in quantum mechanics. There is a recognition of the need for clarity in mathematical expressions and their interpretations.

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This is the Solution. I am having trouble understanding parts of it.

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The first part I don't get is why the e^i... goes with the -z. Did my professor just choose one at random, or is there a specific reason?

The second part I am not understanding is how he got that |<+x|>|^2 = 1/2...
I tried squaring the expression for <+x| > but I am not coming up with that value.
 

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grandpa2390 said:
The first part I don't get is why the e^i... goes with the -z. Did my professor just choose one at random, or is there a specific reason?
It is an arbitrary choice. A state is determined only up to an arbitrary overall phase factor. So, the most you can expect to do is determine the relative phase between the up and down z states in ##|\psi \rangle##. You could just as well put the relative phase factor ##e^{i \delta}## with the ##|+z \rangle## ket.

The second part I am not understanding is how he got that |<+x|>|^2 = 1/2
It has to do with the information given about the probability for finding the particle in the ##|+x \rangle## state.
 
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TSny said:
It has to do with the information given about the probability for finding the particle in the ##|+x \rangle## state.

Could you elaborate?

How did he get to

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If z is a complex number, then |z|2 = z*z.
 
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TSny said:
If z is a complex number, then |z|2 = z*z.

you are not making any sense. As I said, I did square the expression in the previous step. but I did not get that result.
 
TSny said:
If z is a complex number, then |z|2 = z*z.

are you say to multiply it by the complex conjugate?
 
grandpa2390 said:
are you say to multiply it by the complex conjugate?
Yes. Maybe it will be clearer using LaTeX:
$$
|z|^2 = z^* z
$$

(Edit: That's not necessarily clearer. I understand better why many mathematicians prefer the notation ##\bar{z}## to ##z^*##.)
 
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DrClaude said:
Yes. Maybe it will be clearer using LaTeX:
$$
|z|^2 = z^* z
$$

(Edit: That's not necessarily clearer. I understand better why many mathematicians prefer the notation ##\bar{z}## to ##z^*##.)
Thanks.
Lol, Written by hand, it makes sense. But on the computer, I am so used to seeing that symbol used for regular multiplication.

Thank you both.
 
OK, good. Sorry for the confusion regarding the complex conjugate notation.
Moreover, when I first read the following
grandpa2390 said:
The second part I am not understanding is how he got that |<+x|>|^2 = 1/2...
I tried squaring the expression for <+x| > but I am not coming up with that value.
I didn't notice the three dots ... after the 1/2. So, I thought you were asking why ##|\langle +x|\psi \rangle|^2= 1/2## . Thus, my response in post #2.
Oh well, glad it all got sorted out.
 
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TSny said:
OK, good. Sorry for the confusion regarding the complex conjugate notation.
Moreover, when I first read the following

I didn't notice the three dots ... after the 1/2. So, I thought you were asking why ##|\langle +x|\psi \rangle|^2= 1/2## . Thus, my response in post #2.
Oh well, glad it all got sorted out.

I suspected that. so I posted the whole thing the second time (as I should have done the first time ;)

thanks
 

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