Determine the dimensions of a rectangular box, open at the top

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The problem involves determining the dimensions of a rectangular box that is open at the top, with a specified volume of 4 m³ and a requirement to minimize the surface area. The context is rooted in optimization within calculus, particularly using partial derivatives and the second partials test.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss setting up equations based on volume and surface area, with attempts to find critical points through partial derivatives. There are questions about the validity of certain values and the necessity of using the second partials test.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to find the dimensions of the box. Some have expressed confusion regarding the calculations and the application of the second partials test, while others suggest alternative methods like the Lagrange multiplier method.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of miscalculations and undefined expressions in the attempts, particularly when y approaches zero. The problem constraints and the requirement to use specific methods are also under discussion.

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Homework Statement


Determine the dimensions of a rectangular box, open at the top, having volume
4 m3, and requiring the least amount of material for its construction. Use the
second partials test. (Hint: Take advantage of the symmetry of the problem.)



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The Attempt at a Solution



Volume, V= 4m^3
let x = length
y = width
z = height

4m^3 = xyz
x = 4/yz

because it is an open at the top rectangular box,
the Surface, S = 2xz + 2yz + xy

substitute x=4/yz inside the surface equation..
S = 8/y + 2yz + 4/z

to find the critical points, take the partial with respect to y and z.. the equal it to zero..

S'(y)= 2z - 8/y^2
S'(z)= 2y - 4/z^2

solve the equations, i get,
when y = 0, z = 0..
y = 8, z = 1/16

the problem is, what should i do next?
 
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When y = 0, 8/y^2 is undefined! When I set Sy and Sz to 0, I get different values than you did.

Also, you're supposed to use the second partials test.
 
ic... ok..

so..

S'(y) = 2z - 8/y^2
S'(yy) = 16/y^3
S'(yz) = 2

S'(z) = 2y - 4/z^2
S'(zz) = 8/z^3
S'(zy) = 2

what should i do next?
 
You still haven't found the values of y and z for which Sy = 0 and Sz = 0.

Also, you haven't used the second partials test; all you have done is calculate all the second partials.
 
ok.. for.. S'(y)=0 -----> 2z - 8/y^2=0

...for.. S'(z)=0 -----> 2y - 4/z^2 =

ok.. by letting z=4/y^2, i get y = 0, +8^1/2, -8^1/2

am i got it correct now?
 
is it possible if i use lagrange multiplier method?
 
done with the equation for x, y and z..
got some miscalculation just now..
i got y=2, z= 1, x = 2..
why i should do the second partial test?
 
naspek said:
done with the equation for x, y and z..
got some miscalculation just now..
i got y=2, z= 1, x = 2..
why i should do the second partial test?
Those are the values I got.

You should use the second partial test for two reasons:
  1. The problem asks you to use it.
  2. So you can tell whether these values give you a maximum value or a minimum value of S.
 
thanks.. u are really helpful =)
 

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