Determine the direction of a spin state given the state

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The discussion revolves around determining the direction of a spin state given a specific quantum state representation. Participants explore the mathematical relationships involving coefficients of the spin states and their implications for angles in the context of quantum mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the normalization of a quantum state and the interpretation of coefficients in relation to trigonometric functions. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between the coefficients of the |+> and |-> states and their corresponding angles. Some participants question the method used for determining the direction of the spin state.

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Several participants have provided insights and suggestions for approaching the problem, including the use of phase factors and normalization techniques. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations and methods without a clear consensus on a single approach.

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Participants note issues with LaTeX formatting and its resolution, which may have impacted the clarity of mathematical expressions shared in the discussion.

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Homework Statement
Given an unnormalized spin state
##\Psi=(1+i)|+>-(1+i\sqrt{3})|->##
which direction does this spin point to?
Relevant Equations
##|n;+> = cos\frac{\theta}{2}|+>+sin\frac{\theta}{2}e^{i\phi}|->##
From the relevant equation above, there is not imaginary part in the |+> state, so I multiplied the state by (1-i). The state is then :
##\Psi=(2)|+>-(1+\sqrt{3})+i(\sqrt{3}-1)|->##
Then I normalize it :
##\Psi=(\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}})|+>-\frac{1}{2\sqrt{3}}(1+\sqrt{3})+i(\sqrt{3}-1)|->##

From the |n;+> equation above, I concluded from the |+> part that :
##cos\frac{\theta}{2}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}##
But when I did the same thing from the |-> part, I got different value from ##cos\frac{\theta}{2}##

My guess is that this method of determining direction of spin state is probably wrong.

Edit: Somehow the Latex is not working, I'm trying to figure out how to fix this
 
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I think your method is good.
Notice that the coefficient of the - state gives you ##\sin{\frac{\theta}{2}}##, not the cosine, maybe that's the problem.
To use LaTeX you need to use the $ or the # symbols (2before and 2 after the expression)
Take a look at the LaTeX Guide
 
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Gaussian97 said:
I think your method is good.
Notice that the coefficient of the - state gives you ##\sin{\frac{\theta}{2}}##, not the cosine, maybe that's the problem.
To use LaTeX you need to use the $ or the # symbols (2before and 2 after the expression)
Take a look at the LaTeX Guide
Oh yeah, that's right. Thanks man! Can't believe I missed such that 😅.

About the Latex, I have added the # symbols but it seems like its still not working. Do you know what's wrong with it?
Edit: Never mind, the Latex works now. Thanks again!
 
Here's an idea: $$\tan \frac \theta 2 = \frac{|1 - i\sqrt 3|}{|1+i|} = \sqrt 2$$
 
Here is another idea. You have found that
##\Psi=(\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}})|+>-\frac{1}{2\sqrt{3}}(1+\sqrt{3})+i(\sqrt{3}-1)|->## from which you can identify

##\sin\dfrac{\theta}{2}e^{i\phi}=-\dfrac{1}{2\sqrt{3}}(1+\sqrt{3})+i(\sqrt{3}-1).##
Separate real and imaginary parts, $$\sin\frac{\theta}{2}\cos\phi=-\dfrac{1}{2\sqrt{3}}(1+\sqrt{3})~;~~\sin\frac{\theta}{2}\sin\phi=\sqrt{3}-1$$ and get ##\tan\phi## from this.
 
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I have the following suggestions. First, write the wave function in terms of phase factors. We have.
$$
(1+i)|+>= \sqrt{2}e^{i\frac{\pi}{4}}|+>
$$
$$
-(1+i\sqrt{3})|->=-2e^{i\frac{\pi}{3}}|->=2e^{i\frac{4\pi}{3}}|->
$$
$$
|\psi>=\sqrt{2}e^{i\frac{\pi}{4}}|+>+2e^{i\frac{4\pi}{3}}|->
$$
Now normalize the w.f. Since
$$
\sqrt{2}^2 + 2^2=6
$$
$$
|\psi>=\frac{1}{\sqrt{6}}(\sqrt{2}e^{i\frac{\pi}{4}}|+>+2e^{i\frac{4\pi}{3}}|->)
$$
$$
=\sqrt{\frac{1}{3}}e^{i\frac{\pi}{4}}|+>+\sqrt{\frac{2}{3}}e^{i\frac{4\pi}{3}}|->
$$
With the Bloch sphere representation we know that the quantum state doesn't change if we multiply the w.f. by any number of unit norm, i.e. ##e^{i\zeta}|\psi>=|\psi>##. For our w.f. multiply by ##\zeta=-i\frac{\pi}{4}## to get
$$
\sqrt{\frac{1}{3}}|+>+\sqrt{\frac{2}{3}}e^{i\frac{13\pi}{12}}|->
$$
Thus
$$
\cos(\frac{\theta}{2})=\sqrt{\frac{1}{3}}
$$
$$
\phi=\frac{13\pi}{12}
$$
 
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A neat suggestion.
 

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