Determine the elevator's acceleration

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The discussion revolves around calculating the acceleration of an elevator system involving an 82 kg man and a 40 kg dumbwaiter. The man pulls on a rope, resulting in a scale reading of 209 N, prompting a need to establish the correct equations of motion. Participants emphasize the importance of using free body diagrams and Newton's laws to analyze forces, including tension and gravitational forces. The conversation highlights the necessity of creating two separate equations for the man and the dumbwaiter to solve for the unknowns of acceleration and tension. Ultimately, the focus remains on correctly applying physics principles to derive the solution.
  • #31
kuruman said:
Up on the man and down on the elevator is correct. Your equation in post #22 is also correct. Where does your equation in post #24 come from?

My teacher explained to use two different equations when two variables are unknown, I was trying to find another equation to substitute T with
 
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  • #32
y90x said:
My teacher explained to use two different equations when two variables are unknown, I was trying to find another equation to substitute T with
You have the correct information for the man in post #5.

y90x said:
Fn=209N (the scale reading)
Fg=mg
=(82kg)(9.8) = 803.6 N

And the force exerted on the rope is T
So the formula would be,

(Fn +T)-Fg=ma

Am I wrong or missing something ?
Use 209 Newtons for Fn and mg for Fg, of course with 82 kg for the man's mass.

Then as @kuruman wrote, your equation in post #22 is correct.
y90x said:
Oh, I see
So then it’ll be
T-209N-40g=40a ?
Use those two equations to eliminate T (or eliminate a if you'd rather find the tension).
 
  • #33
y90x said:
Wouldn’t it be the other way around ? Up on the man and down on the dumbwaiter ?
Right, but in post #16 you had an equation for the dumb waiter with T...+Fn = ...
If the tension is acting upwards on the dumb waiter and the normal force is acting downwards then they cannot both be positive on the same side of tne equation.
 
  • #34
I have a suggestion for OP, @y90x. Why don't you write two equations for Newton's 2nd Law, Fnet = ma, one for which the system is the man and one for which the system is the dumbwaiter and in which only symbols appear, not numbers, and post them. One (or more) of us will review these equations and point out what is wrong (if anything) with them. At this point, it seems to me there is some tail-chasing going on here so a fresh start would be beneficial.
 
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