Determine the limit of the convergent sequence

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The discussion revolves around determining the limit of the convergent sequence defined as ##a_n = (3/n)^{1/n}##. Participants explore various mathematical approaches to analyze the behavior of the sequence as n approaches infinity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using L'Hôpital's rule after taking the natural logarithm of the sequence. There are questions about the validity of assuming certain limits, particularly regarding the behavior of ##n^{1/n}## as n approaches infinity.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the application of L'Hôpital's rule and the interpretation of limits. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions regarding the limits of the components of the sequence, with differing opinions on the behavior of ##n^{1/n}##.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion over the implications of taking limits and the behavior of sequences as n approaches infinity. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in differentiating between various forms of limits.

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Homework Statement


Determine the limit of the convergent sequence:
##a_n## =##"3/n" ^ "1/n"##
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=lim+as+x+approaches+infinity++%283%2Fx%29^%281%2Fx%29

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3. The Attempt at a Solution [/b

So I tried to get this series to look like 0/0 or ∞/∞ so I could use the L'Hopital rule.
I took the Ln of both sides. I got (ln(3/n))/n. As n approaches ∞, the numerator is -∞ and the denominator is ∞. Can
I use the L'Hopital's rule now? THANKS!
 
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Given the way you've presented the sequence, this rule will be extremely useful to you :

(a/b)^c = a^c / b^c

Big hint : Remember that 1 over something really really big... aka ∞ tends to 0.

Example :

lim x->∞ 1/x = 0
 
Thank you,
So I get (3^(1/n)) / (n^(1/n))
If n approaches ∞, the the numerator is 1 because the exponent approaches 0.
So would it be sufficient for me to apply the same mentality to denominator and say
that it approaches 1? That would give me 1 for the limit of the sequence which is the correct
answer.
 
ArthurRead said:
Thank you,
So I get (3^(1/n)) / (n^(1/n))
If n approaches ∞, the the numerator is 1 because the exponent approaches 0.
So would it be sufficient for me to apply the same mentality to denominator and say
that it approaches 1? That would give me 1 for the limit of the sequence which is the correct
answer.

Yup :) good job. Sometimes the most basic rules can save you the most headaches.
 
ArthurRead said:

Homework Statement


Determine the limit of the convergent sequence:
a(sub n)=(3/n)^(1/n)
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=lim+as+x+approaches+infinity++%283%2Fx%29^%281%2Fx%29

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3. The Attempt at a Solution [/b

So I tried to get this series to look like 0/0 or ∞/∞ so I could use the L'Hopital rule.
I took the Ln of both sides. I got (ln(3/n))/n. As n approaches ∞, the numerator is -∞ and the denominator is ∞.


Welcome to PF, ArthurRead! :smile:

Can I use the L'Hopital's rule now? THANKS!

Yes...
 
And no, you cannot just say that ##n^{1/n}## approaches 1.

Consider that ##n^{1/2}## approaches infinity.
And that ##2^{1/n}## approaches 1.
##n^{1/n}## could approach anything from 1 up (although it does approach 1 ;)).

To illustrate this: ##(1+{1 \over n})^n## approaches the mathematical constant e.
 
I am sorry "I Like Serena", I don't understand what you mean by "n1/n could approach anything from 1 up". What ever value n has, you will be taking it to the power of 0. So it has to approach 1. I know I am wrong but I don't understand how.
 
You might also say that whatever value (1/n) has, you will be taking infinity to the power of this number.
So then it would have to approach infinity.
 
That makes sense. So am I better off going with my original approach of using L'Hops rule after taking the natural log of both sides?
 
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Yes.
 
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I am not getting the right answer. (ln(3/n))/n: the derivative of the numerator is (-1/n) and the derivative of the denominator is 1. Which gives me lim = 0. Did I differentiate correctly?
 
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Actually, that looks good. :)

Remember which limit you approached?
 
  • #13
Ah, that was the limit of natural log of the sequence. Since ln(a sub n) = 0, (a sub n) = e^0=1. Thank you so much for guiding me through this. I feel so much better.

by the way, is there an easier way to write (a sub n)?...I'm new to this.
 
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Good! :smile:

Try:
Code:
##a_n##

That comes out as ##a_n##.

Similarly
Code:
$$\lim_{n \to \infty} a_n$$
comes out as:
$$\lim_{n \to \infty} a_n$$
 
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Got it, Thanks again
 

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