Determine the natural frequency

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The discussion focuses on determining the natural frequency of a mechanical system with a mass of 4 kg and a spring stiffness of 28 kN/m. The relevant formula for calculating the natural frequency is ω = (k/m)^(0.5). Participants emphasize the importance of correctly identifying the effective mass in non-standard configurations and advise against reusing symbols for different variables. A systematic approach to deriving the equation of motion from first principles is recommended to accurately determine the effective mass and natural frequency.

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Homework Statement


Determine the natural frequency in Hz of the system sketched below given the following values:
Mass m=4kg Spring stiffness k=28kN/m Length a=121mm Length b=93mm

Homework Equations


ω=(k/m)^0.5

The Attempt at a Solution


so probably I need to find m
should I multiply 4*9.81*(0.93+1.21)?
 

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cxz7410 said:
ω=(k/m)^0.5
m is used for the mass already, you shouldn't reuse symbols for different things. Where can you use that formula?

What is the potential energy of the system (and its components) if the spring is extended by a length x?
 
cxz7410 said:
ω=(k/m)^0.5
That formula only applies to the usual simple arrangement of spring and mass.
cxz7410 said:
probably I need to find m
While it is true that you can make your quoted formula work by finding an "effective" mass for the m in it to represent, it is not at all obvious how to find it. Indeed, that approach would be backwards. You need to find the equation of motion from first principles. Having found that you will see what the effective mass is in this arrangement. It is a very bad idea to go making wild guesses.
 

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