First natural frequency for bending, axial and torsion modes

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The discussion revolves around determining the first natural frequency of a rod fixed at one end with a mass at the other end, focusing on bending, axial, and torsional modes. The participants are exploring the underlying physics and equations related to these modes.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the setup of equations for bending and question the interpretation of axial and torsional modes. There is an exploration of how to derive the spring constant (k) for each mode and the implications of treating the mass as a point mass versus a more complex object.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided formulas for calculating k for bending, axial, and torsional modes, while others express uncertainty about specific terms and concepts. There is an ongoing dialogue about the accuracy of assumptions and the definitions of terms used in the context of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention a lack of familiarity with certain engineering terms and concepts, indicating varying levels of background knowledge. The original poster simplifies the mass to a point mass for clarity, which raises questions about the appropriateness of this assumption in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


We have a rod of length L fixed to a rigid support. At the end of the rod there is a mass, m. Assume that the rod has no mass. Find the first natural frequency for the bending, axial and torsion modes.

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So I'm reviewing some stuff from my undergraduate degree as I will be taking night classes for my master's in systems and controls next year. I'm doing some very basic stuff but wowzie is it difficult to remember some of this stuff that I haven't seen since I graduated.

So let's take the first part, that I think that I remember. For bending you can set up the problem as

mx'' = kx - mg

This is of a familiar form and we can see that for a simple mass-spring system the natural frequency is

Wn=sqrt(k/m)

So for a 1 DOF system we have found the 1st natural frequency. Is this correct?

I'm not sure what they mean by the axial one. Would I simply assume that the rod is acting as a spring and that the mass m is pushing down on it?

And for the torsional one would I just adjust my k to be the torsional value, but where does the supposed torque come from?
 
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Feodalherren said:
For bending you can set up the problem as
mx'' = kx - mg
Sure, but the interesting part is the formula for determining k from the dimensions of the rod and the properties of the material.
Feodalherren said:
for the torsional one would I just adjust my k to be the torsional value,
This is a strange one to ask for a point mass on the end of a rod. There is no rotational inertia. Is that what you meant by no torque? Assume the mass has some moment of inertia and replace m with I. Again, the interesting part is the formula for k.
Feodalherren said:
not sure what they mean by the axial one.
That would be longitudinal vibration of the rod, like a spring.
 
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Thanks. I know how to find the formulas for k, it's not a problem. I just wanted to make sure that I had the basic problem down. It's not really a point mass. I was just simplifying it to see if what I was doing was accurate.

The mass is an AISI 1005 steel ball with diameter of 8 mm. So it's just as simple as using the torsional k?
 
Bending k = EA/L
Axial load k = EA/L
Torsional k = πGD4 / 32L
 
Feodalherren said:
Bending k = EA/L
Not sure what EA is here. (I am not an engineer.) I am familiar with a formula like 3EI/L3.
 
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