Determine the radius of the electron's orbit.

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The discussion revolves around determining the radius of an electron's orbit in a hydrogen atom model, where the electron is assumed to revolve in a circular path around the proton. The participants are exploring the application of relevant equations and constants in this context.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the force equation relating to the electron's orbit, questioning the correctness of their initial calculations and the values used for constants. There is an exploration of the relationship between force, mass, charge, and radius.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's approaches and suggesting a focus on symbolic representation before substituting numerical values. Some participants have identified errors in the constants used and are working towards correcting them.

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There are mentions of confusion regarding the values of the electron's mass and charge, as well as the constants involved in the calculations. Participants are also addressing potential mistakes in their initial setups and calculations.

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In one model of the hydrogen atom, the electron revolves in a circular orbit around the proton with a speed of 4.6 106 m/s

f = mv^2/r

F is the force of attraction between the electron and proton
m is the mass of the electron
v is the velocity it spins at
r is the radius

(9.11)(1.67*10^-27)K/r^2=[(1.67*10^-27)((4.6*10^6)^2)]/r

when i solve for r, it is not correct, can you tell me if it is setup right

thanks
 
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Frogger Man said:
(9.11)(1.67*10^-27)K/r^2=[(1.67*10^-27)((4.6*10^6)^2)]/r
I don't understand what those numbers are. What's the mass of the electron? The charge on the electron and proton?
 
The 1.67*10^6 should be 9.109 × 10-31

On the left i am trying to find the force of attraction, is this the wrong way to go about this problem?
 
Your approach is probably correct, but you're messing up some of the numbers. Start by writing your equation just in terms of symbols. Once we agree that the equation is correct, then you can plug in numbers.
 
q1q2k/r^2 = mv^2/r
 
Frogger Man said:
q1q2k/r^2 = mv^2/r
Good. Now solve that for r before plugging numbers in.
 
r = q1q2k/(mv^2)
 
Frogger Man said:
r = q1q2k/(mv^2)
Good. Now plug away!
 
9.11x10^-31*1.6x10^-19*8.99x10^9/(9.11x10^-31*(4.6x10^6)^2)
 
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Frogger Man said:
9.11x10^-31*1.6x10^-19*8.99x10^9/(9.11x10^-31*(4.6x10^6)^2)
Why do you have the electron mass here?
 
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I must have a number wrong, when I plug it
 
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1.6x10^-19*1.6x10^-19*8.99x10^9/(9.11x10^-31*(4.6x10^6)^2)

That should be better, I used the mass instead of the charge.
 
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1.194e-11

Got it, again, thanks for your help. Wish I had you as my teacher in school.
 
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Much better.
 

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