Determine whether a set of points lie on the same plane

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The discussion centers on determining whether a set of points lies on the same plane using vector relationships. It is established that vectors AB, AB, and AD are linearly dependent, indicating that those points lie on the same plane. However, the vectors AB, CB, and AD are linearly independent, suggesting they span R3 and do not lie in the same plane. The conversation highlights a contradiction regarding the coplanarity of points A, B, C, and D, questioning if D can also be on the same plane as A, B, and C. A sign error in the calculations is noted as a potential reason for the confusion regarding the determinant and the coplanarity of the points.
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AB, AB, AD are Ld, that is, the three vectors lie on the same plane, so, "yes, the points lie on the same plane"
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AB CB and AD are Li, that is, the three vectors span the space R3, and don't lie in the same plane, so, how can four points that lie on the same plane, that can generate only vectors that lie on the plane, generate a space?
 

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Any three points, say A,B and C, are on the same plane, say P. Is the fourth one, D, is also on the plane P?
If the vectors satisfy the conditions you mentioned, yes it is.
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
Any three points, say A,B and C, are on the same plane, say P. Is the fourth one, D, is also on the plane P?
If the vectors satisfy the conditions you mentioned, yes it is.
AB AD AC are LD, but AB CB and AD not!

But if A B C D are coplanar, AB CB and AD would need to lie in the plane too!

It are contradictory, no?
 
In the solution, there's a sign error in ##\vec b##. Once you fix that, the determinant ends up not vanishing.
 
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