Determining if a field is electrostatic or not

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The discussion revolves around determining whether a given vector field is electrostatic. Participants explore the characteristics of electrostatic fields, particularly focusing on the conditions of being conservative and time-independent, as well as the mathematical representation of the field.

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  • One participant suggests starting by determining if the field is conservative, but expresses uncertainty about the approach.
  • Another participant points out that the expression provided does not represent a vector unless "constant" is defined as a vector.
  • A different participant questions the ability to take the curl of the field due to the lack of vector directions in the expression.
  • One participant interprets the expression as the modulus of a gravitational or electrical field and discusses the implications of taking the curl of the vector field.
  • Another participant argues that having only the modulus of a field is insufficient to determine if it is electrostatic, emphasizing the need for a time-independent and curl-free vector field.
  • A participant clarifies that the expression can be interpreted as a radial field, relating it to the static field produced by a point source, such as a point charge or mass.
  • One participant discusses the relationship between the Coulomb field and potential fields, asserting that the electrostatic field can be derived from the charge distribution.
  • Another participant simplifies the question by stating that the absence of a time variable indicates the field is static, and discusses the conditions for a field to be conservative.
  • One participant agrees that any conservative time-independent field can be an electrostatic field, referencing the Coulomb field as an example.

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Participants express various interpretations and approaches to the question, with no consensus reached on the definitive nature of the field in question. Multiple competing views remain regarding the conditions necessary for a field to be classified as electrostatic.

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Participants highlight limitations in the provided information, such as the lack of directionality in the vector field and the absence of a time variable, which may affect the determination of whether the field is electrostatic.

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If i have an arbitrary vector field, say F = constant / (x^2 + y^2 +z^2)
I want to determine if it is electrostatic or not. For this I am thinking I should first determine if it is a conservative field, but not 100% sure, any guidance would be appreciated

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An electrostatic field has curl F=0, but the F you right is not a vector, unless "constant" is a vector.
 
clem said:
but the F you right is not a vector, unless "constant" is a vector.
Yea i think its a trick question, the F is bold in the example I'm looking at, but then there are no vector directions on the right side of the = so in that case, you can't take the curl can you?
 
I think the OP refers to the modulus of a vector.Notice x^2+y^2+z^2 equals r^2.
My guess is that F is the modulus of a gravitational or electrical field. In such a case we can write the vector field using the direction cosines and, upon taking the curl of that vector, we find it's conservative.
 
If you have only the modulus of a field, you cannot determine whether it's electrostatic or not.

Of course, any time-independent vector field, which is curl free, can be an electrostatic field. The source (charge distribution) is given by

\rho=\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{E},

where I'm using Heaviside-Lorentz (rationalized Gauß) units.
 
Unless there's more hidden in the problem than stated, F = constant / (x2 + y2 +z2) is just F = constant / r2. You have not stated the direction of this vector, but I assume it is radial:
F = Fr = constant / r2
This is just the static field produced by a point source if the field is central and inverse-square-law in nature. For instance this would be the electrostatic field due to a point charge, or the gravitational field due to a point mass.
 
The radius vector, \vec{e}_r=\vec{r}/r (with r=|\vec{r}|) is not a constant. Of course, the Coulomb field is potential field,

\vec{E}=\frac{q}{4 \pi r^2} \vec{e}_r=-\vec{\nabla} \frac{q}{4 \pi r},

and thus an electrostatic field. The charge distribution is

\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{E}=-\Delta \frac{q}{4 \pi r}=q \delta^{(3)}(\vec{r}).
 
Actually, I think the question is a bit more simple. It is asked whether or not a field is electrostatic. In other terms, if it is time-independent. By looking at the expression, there is no time variable in there. So there we have the "static" part. Now is it electrostatic? Well, from Faraday:
\vec{\nabla}\times\vec{E}=-\frac{\partial\vec{B}}{\partial t}

Where the right side becomes zero (time-independent). Thus, in electrostatic, we would need the electric field E to be conservative also.
 
Sure, any conservative time-independent field can be an electrostatic field. I've only shown this for the Coulomb field.
 

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