Determining the position from the velocity

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The problem involves determining the position of an object on an inclined plane transitioning to a horizontal plane, where various forces and energies are at play, including gravitational potential energy, kinetic energy, spring energy, and frictional forces.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of the work-energy principle and question the role of friction and spring energy in the calculations. There is an exploration of whether all provided information is necessary for solving the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering insights into the energy considerations involved. Some guidance on energy equations has been provided, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

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There is a mention of specific values for mass, height, spring constant, angle, and friction force, which may influence the calculations. Participants are also questioning the necessity of all given information.

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Homework Statement



An object (masse m) is placed on a slope with an angle a at a height of h above the ground. There is no friction on the inclined plane. The inclined plane leads to a horizontal plane 2 meters long that ends with a spring with a constant of k. There is friction on the horizontal plane (but not the inclined plane). Where is the object when its velocity is equal to 1m/s?

m=1kg
h=0.5m
k=1000N/m
angle a= 30 degrees
F(friction)=1N

Homework Equations



E(kin)=0.5*mv²
W = E(cin final) - E(cin initial)

The Attempt at a Solution



W = 0.5*mv² - 0.5*m(0)²
=0.5*mv² = F*d
d=(mv²)/(2F)
=.5m

but I don't know how to add in the energie given by the spring and the energy lost from friction.

Any help would be appreciated thanks
 
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Was the force of friction given as 1N, or is that your assumption?

Insofar as it was given, remember the work-energy formula.
 
Yes, it's given. And sorry my attempt is a bit poor, I just need a bit of help starting off in the right direction. Thanks
 
I seriously doubt that you need all the info (but maybe I'm doing something wrong):

\frac{1}{2}mv^2 =mgh

solving for v:

v = \sqrt{2gh}

Inserting data I get 5 cm lower w.r.t initial height?
 
zakare said:
… but I don't know how to add in the energie given by the spring and the energy lost from friction.

Hi zakare! :smile:

The energy absorbed by the spring is 1/2*kx², where x is the decrease in length of the spring;

and the energy lost from friction equals the work done against friction. :smile:
 
It will also reach 1 m/s when its a bit in the spring

edit: first post and I am late :(
 
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Hi Multicol ! Welcome to PF! :smile:
Multicol said:
It will also reach 1 m/s when its a bit in the spring

edit: first post and I am late :(

:smile: that's ok … spring was early this year! :smile:
 

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