Did Einstein's Work Affect All Areas of Physics?

[bogdan]

Yes...but as I said earlier...that doesn't mean that Einstein had something to say in that area...for example Newton...he invented calculus...but that's just a tool...you can't give credit to the guy who invented the wheel just because it is used to build the space shuttle...got it ?

 

[Artman]

Originally posted by bogdan
Yes...but as I said earlier...that doesn't mean that Einstein had something to say in that area...for example Newton...he invented calculus...but that's just a tool...you can't give credit to the guy who invented the wheel just because it is used to build the space shuttle...got it ?

No, you wouldn't give credit to the guy that invented the wheel for the development of the Space Shuttle, however, the wheel did influence the design of the shuttle, as well as Roman Chariots had an influence on the Space Shuttle.

The width of the solid fuel boosters was limited by the widest item that could be carried on a train and train track width was based on cart path width which dates back to Roman Chariot wheel ruts.

Not all inventions owe as much to the wheel, say for instance glass bottles, or pants, or scissors.

The point is, would the development of an idea be the same or even be possible without Einstein's influence?

By the way, my first point still stands: the name, Physics, is still the same.

 

[quantumdude]

Originally posted by bogdan
Yes...but as I said earlier...that doesn't mean that Einstein had something to say in that area...for example Newton...he invented calculus...but that's just a tool...you can't give credit to the guy who invented the wheel just because it is used to build the space shuttle...got it ?

No, you don't quite have it yet. If QCD is a space shuttle, SR is not just a tire on the landing gear, it's one of the rockets.

 

[eNtRopY]

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eNtRopY, equipped with infrared goggles, enters the room on a repelling cord. He shouts in seven different languages, All true Einstein fans hit the deck NOW!

Using an AK-47 assult rifle, he sweeps the room at waist height. *


selfAdjoint: I was saving Brownian motion for later.

einsteinian77: If he never contributed to subatomic particle theory, then why is it that E = mc^2 is the bread and butter of particle physics?

einsteinian77: Concerning acoustics, he showed that the Doppler shift is a special case of the relativistic Doppler shift.

Andy: Sorry partner, this town only has enough room for one sherrif.

bogdan: QCD is all about relativity. Besides, let it go you're already dead.

Mr. Robin Parsons: Get a real reference, you fvckin' fvck. Einstein was the first to reject the concept of ether!

cmdr_sponge: Einstein showed that classical mechanics (engineering physics as you call it) is just a special case of relativistic mechanics.


* Everyone who was standing is now dead. *

R.I.P.

eNtRopY

 

[einsteinian77]

he did nothing for experimental physics.

 

[username]

wtf?

 

[The Grimmus]

thermogenonuclearbiolgyquantum...pizza...pie...theroy

 

[eNtRopY]

Originally posted by einsteinian77
he did nothing for experimental physics.

* Puts gun against einsteinian77's head *
* click click *

Dodge this... As an undergraduate Einstein studied experimental physics. Throughout his career as a theorist, he devised many thought experiments which were later realized by other physicists. Perhaps the most famous of these experiments was the bending of light due to gravitation.

* BANG *

eNtRopY

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

origianlly posted by eNtRopY
Mr. Robin Parsons: Get a real reference, you fvckin' fvck. Einstein was the first to reject the concept of ether!

And in 'latin' no less, follow your own advise!

He didn't reject the concept, he accepted the evidence that was held against it.

PS please have your mother wash out your mouth with soap, the "potty smell" is, well, it is your breath not mine!

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

...and a little searching gives...

References; From this site...

http://itis.volta.alessandria.it/episteme/ep3-24.htm

However, it does not fully reflect the historical truth, and in a sense even represents a distortion [...] Einstein denied the existence of the ether for only 11 years - from 1905 to 1916. Thereafter, he recognized that his attitude was too radical and even regretted that his works published before 1916 had so definitely and absolutely rejected the existence of the ether."

or I suppose this site sort of works, (dubious?)

http://www.hollywood.org/cosmology/einstein.html

and from this site

http://www.lns.cornell.edu/spr/1998-11/msg0013583.html

these words...

Subject: Re: Einstein & "ether" misunderstood.
From: mmessall@mindspring.com
Date: 29 Nov 1998 00:00:00 GMT
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Reply-To: mmessall@mindspring.com

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ca314159@bestweb.net wrote:
> In article <mmcirvin-2411982021080001@ppp0a007.std.com>,
> mmcirvin@world.std.com (Matt McIrvin) wrote:
> > In article <3658BEEE.2C8B701D@well.com>, Jack <sarfatti@well.com> wrote:
> > >A common failure of physics teachers in high school and up,
> > >including many textbooks, is that they say that Einstein
> > >rejected the idea of the "ether". This is not at all true.
> > >What Einstein actually rejected was not "ethers" (there are
> > >more than one) but "absolute ethers". This is made crystal
> > >clear in his 1924 essay "On The Ether". Einstein basically
> > >embraced a more general form of Newton's third law that Paul
> > >Hewitt has expressed as "You cannot touch without being
> > >touched."

Aside from those items, you

Originally posted by eNtRopY

* Suddenly smokes bombs are launched through the windows. Glass shatters everywhere. A blanket of black fog completely darkens the room.

eNtRopY, equipped with infrared goggles, enters the room on a repelling cord. He shouts in seven different languages, All true Einstein fans hit the deck NOW!

Using an AK-47 assult rifle, he sweeps the room at waist height. *

reflects/demonstrates a rather violent mindset towards the opinions of others, not the best for health(y) I would "respectfully" suggest.

 

[einsteinian77]

I got it Plasma physics!

 

[eNtRopY]

Originally posted by einsteinian77
I got it Plasma physics!

* Removes handgun from front of pants... *

You see einsteinian77, you will never be able to find a branch of physics that hasn't been influenced by the work of Einstein because Einstein's work covers modern physics in a very broad sense. Einstein came around at a time when physics was at a standstill. People had been studying physics for the same way for centuries. Einstein didn't pay much attention in his classes; so, he simply reinvented physics.

Concerning plasmas:

In plasma spectroscopy, people use Einstein coefficients to calculate the lifetimes of excited states. In the study of very high temperature plasmas, people consider the plasma to be a relatvistic gas. When studying the diffusion of impurities in a plasma, one can use Fick's Law with the Einstein relation (as was previously mentioned in a different context. Finally, in plasma fusion we once again see the famous equation E = m*c^2.

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* eNtRopY empties his gun. Goddamn! *

eNtRopY

 

[eNtRopY]

Originally posted by maximus
what did einstein do in thermodynamics?

Oh yeah, I almost forgot... the Einstein Model gives us a practical means for approximating the phonon spectrum in solids. Not only does this cover thermodynamics, but it also covers solid state physics as well... just in case any you get any ideas.

* Blasts a few more rounds into a cold carcass just to watch it jump! *

eNtRopY

 

[selfAdjoint]

selfAdjoint (rising from the dead): Boo! You really need to blow away that ignorant "Einstein accepts the ether junk again." He didn't. He said curved spacetime replaces the ether.

But of course you, ninja-girl knew that. You know what, you're so damn cute when you're mad.

 

[bogdan]

Well...I surrender...but...what about "material resistance"...you know...the engineering stuff...?
Entropy...the first time I saw your post I thought it would be easy to respond...but now I realize it's quite impossible...
...but...what about the influence Newton had ?...name an area in physics in which Newton had nothing to say...until the 19h century...huh ? (except that stuff with light)

 

[eNtRopY]

Originally posted by selfAdjoint
selfAdjoint (rising from the dead): Boo! You really need to blow away that ignorant "Einstein accepts the ether junk again." He didn't. He said curved spacetime replaces the ether.

But of course you, ninja-girl knew that. You know what, you're so damn cute when you're mad.

* unsheaths katana *

I hope you're not talking to me.

eNtRopY

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by selfAdjoint
selfAdjoint (rising from the dead): Boo! You really need to blow away that ignorant "Einstein accepts the ether junk again." He didn't. He said curved spacetime replaces the ether.

Got any references for that one?

 

[Mattius_]

i know einstein had nothing to do with unification... he tried at failed badly because he was limited by technoledgy...

 

[selfAdjoint]

Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
Got any references for that one?

Quote by Einstein: "The aether of the general theory of relativity is a medium without mechanical and kinetmatic properties, but which codetermines mechanical and electromagnetic events."

The thing within general relativity which meets this description is the unified spacetime/gravity field.

Note that the ether as usually thought of is inseparable from its "mechanical and kinematical properties".

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by selfAdjoint
Quote by Einstein: "The aether of the general theory of relativity is a medium without mechanical and kinetmatic properties, but which codetermines mechanical and electromagnetic events."

It has already been noted by one of the authors that I have cited that Einstein had initially endorsed the Ether as NON existent, then changed his mind, and came back to it.

the fact that you do not date your quote simply shows why you think he didn't believe in it, as history tells us that he later changed his mind, back towards agreement with it existing.

Originally posted by Moi
References; From this site...

http://itis.volta.alessandria.it/episteme/ep3-24.htm


However, it does not fully reflect the historical truth, and in a sense even represents a distortion [...] Einstein denied the existence of the ether for only 11 years - from 1905 to 1916. Thereafter, he recognized that his attitude was too radical and even regretted that his works published before 1916 had so definitely and absolutely rejected the existence of the ether."

Is that helpful?, more clear?

 

[selfAdjoint]

the fact that you do not date your quote simply shows why you think he didn't believe in it, as history tells us that he later changed his mind, back towards agreement with it existing.

This is first of all a silly way to argue. You can't infer a person's state of belief from small accidents of posting.

Secondly the quote is from Einstein's inaugural address at the professorial chair at Leiden, which had been granted him by royal decree of the Netherlands crown. The address took place on October 27, 1920. Source: Pais, "Subtle is the Lord", p313.

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by selfAdjoint

The thing within general relativity which meets this description is the unified spacetime/gravity field.('US/GF')OK?

For which there is, at present, no physically evidentiary proof.

Calling it the 'ether', (which he does/did revert to) may have argot specific implication(s) that you are, presently, unaware of, and that are not completely seen as/in 'US/GF'.

Einstein remained a proponent of the nomenclature of "The Ether"
(At least to the best of my knowledge!)

EDIT COLOuR.

 

[chroot]

eNtRopY has a vagina?

- Warren

 

[selfAdjoint]

Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
For which there is, at present, no physically evidentiary proof.

Red herring. The evidentiary status of U S/F (as it should be abbreviated) has nothing to do with what Einstein meant. He at any rate believed in his theory.

Calling it the 'ether', (which he does/did revert to) may have argot specific implication(s) that you are, presently, unaware of, and that are not completely seen as/in 'US/GF'.

Read the quote again. No mechanical or kinematical properties. The ether which your sources are plugging is replete with mechanical and kinematic properties. And Einstein did not believe in this!

Einstein remained a proponent of the nomenclature of "The Ether"
(At least to the best of my knowledge!)

EDIT COLOuR.

You are not responsible for the inaccuracy in your sources, but the Einstein archives are now available online, and it should be possible to resolve these issues by inspection of them.

 

[selfAdjoint]

Here are http://Alberteinstein.info/db/QueryAnyText.do?criteria=aether&x=33&y=9 . Unfortunately they all appear to be handwritten documents in German. I cannot read German script. Is there anyone her who can? They have suggestive title like "on the aether" and "The space-aether and field problem".

 

[Artman]

Artman, his spurs clinking an accent to his purposeful stride as he moves to the center of the road. A dust filled breeze blows a tumbleweed past him. He calls to the door of the saloon to Enthropy who stands at the bar inside drinking a whiskey.

Enthropy walks through the saloon doors, his gun still smoking in its holster. "What do you want?"

"What about the study of waves in water?"

"What about it?" Enthropy sneered.

"Did Einstein have an effect on the study of waves in water?"

The two men eyed each other, hands hovering over their guns. Did Enthropy have any bullets left?

 

[Andy]

eNtRopY has a vagina?

- Warren

Hey I have breasts!

 

[eNtRopY]

Originally posted by chroot
eNtRopY has a vagina?

- Warren

No, I was just borrowing your mom's / sister's / girlfriend's again.

eNtRopY

 

[eNtRopY]

Originally posted by Artman
Artman, his spurs clinking an accent to his purposeful stride as he moves to the center of the road. A dust filled breeze blows a tumbleweed past him. He calls to the door of the saloon to Enthropy who stands at the bar inside drinking a whiskey.

Enthropy walks through the saloon doors, his gun still smoking in its holster. "What do you want?"

"What about the study of waves in water?"

"What about it?" Enthropy sneered.

"Did Einstein have an effect on the study of waves in water?"

The two men eyed each other, hands hovering over their guns. Did Enthropy have any bullets left?

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THE END.

eNtRopY

 

[maximus]

well surely there must be at least one area of physics he hasn't affected!