Did I misinterpret the sign attached to a term when factoring?

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The discussion revolves around the factoring of the expression xy+x-2y-2. Participants explore the steps taken to factor the expression and the potential misinterpretation of signs associated with the terms during the factoring process. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and clarification of factoring techniques.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their initial attempt at factoring the expression and expresses confusion about the signs involved.
  • Another participant asserts that the initial factoring was incorrect and provides an alternative factoring method, emphasizing the importance of sign changes when factoring out negative terms.
  • A participant points out that while 2y-2 can be factored to 2(y-1), it does not appear in the original expression, leading to a misunderstanding of the terms involved.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the correct interpretation of the expression, highlighting the difference between -2y-2 and 2y-2.
  • A participant reflects on their mistake in handling the negative sign during the factoring process and expresses a desire to understand the error to avoid it in the future.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial factoring method, with some asserting it was incorrect while others discuss the implications of sign interpretation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to factoring the expression.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of accurately interpreting signs in mathematical expressions, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the initial steps taken in the factoring process and the implications of different interpretations.

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I wanted to factor [math]xy+x-2y-2[/math]
I got [math]x(y+1)-2(y-1)[/math] and got stuck

I tried somethings out and noticed [math](x-2)(y+1)=xy+x-2y-2[/math] so how come I did get stuck? Did I extract the [math]2[/math] incorrectly with the sign? For example should I have interpreted it at [math]-2y-2[/math] not [math]2y-2[/math]?
 
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find_the_fun said:
I wanted to factor [math]xy+x-2y-2[/math]
I got [math]x(y+1)-2(y-1)[/math] and got stuck

I tried somethings out and noticed [math](x-2)(y+1)=xy+x-2y-2[/math] so how come I did get stuck? Did I extract the [math]2[/math] incorrectly with the sign? For example should I have interpreted it at [math]-2y-2[/math] not [math]2y-2[/math]?

Yes, you simply factored incorrectly.

[math]xy+x-2y-2=x(y+1)-2(y+1)=(x-2)(y+1)[/math]

When you factor a negative factor from a group of terms, the signs of everything within the resulting parentheses must change.
 
MarkFL said:
Yes, you simply factored incorrectly.

[math]xy+x-2y-2=x(y+1)-2(y+1)=(x-2)(y+1)[/math]

When you factor a negative factor from a group of terms, the signs of everything within the resulting parentheses must change.

But [math]2y-2[/math] can be factored to [math]2(y-1)[/math]. Since [math]2y-2[/math] appears in the equation can't we say [math]...-(2y-2)=...-(2(y-1))[/math]?
 
It is $-2y-2$ that appears in the expression...and both terms have $-2$ as a factor. :D
 
find_the_fun said:
But [math]2y-2[/math] can be factored to [math]2(y-1)[/math]. Since [math]2y-2[/math] appears in the equation can't we say [math]...-(2y-2)=...-(2(y-1))[/math]?

That's the point. [math]2y-2[/math] does not appear in the equation.
You can read the equation as:
$$xy+x−2y−2 = xy+x+(−2)y+(−2)$$

As you can see $(−2)y+(−2)$ is definitely different from $2y-2$.

From here we can get to:
$$xy+x+(−2)y+(−2) = x(y+1)+(−2)(y+1)$$

Which can also be written as:
$$x(y+1)−2(y+1)$$
 
I guess I see what I did wrong, I did something like, took a -2 inserted a bracket and pretend it was positive. I try to understand exactly what went wrong in hopes of not making the same mistake again.
 

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