Did Moses Predict the Big Bang Theory?

[ZelmersZoetrop]

All genetic information is decoded at the speed of light by RNA messenger which combines DNA “letters” into 3 letter “words”.

RNA transcription takes place at light speed now, guys! Wow! Those ancients sure were brilliant to have known that. Erik von Daniken is proud of you, Oscar.

 

[Nereid]

It's not baseless The Mayas predicted eclipses with 1000 years anticipation neither the fact of their exact to the second Venusian calendar. What is baseless is your ignorant comment without knowing neither history nor what modern astronomers have openly recognized about them! In insist, do homework and URGENTLY search your local library or buy a book in bookstores.Until then...

I read through the links you posted, but missed those two specific predictions.

Please provide:

- a list of which specific eclipses the Mayas predicted

- the Mayas' 'exact to the second Venusian calendar'; I'm particularly interested in how you determined its accuracy.

 

[Nereid]

*SNIP
It's easy from our modern perspective to talk about equinox and precesion when we already have a better idea of the things or after Newton and Copernicus checked ancient documents. But the people in the past couldn't actually witness those things even to IMAGINE long number of years about those cosmic laws.

I think you have - inadvertently - looked down on our ancestors. For example, the
Saros cycle, or something similar, was discovered a very long time ago, and there's nothing particularly mysterious about that. Nor any need to invoke hyper-dimensional beings with deep wisdom; plain ordinary intelligent people of the time were perfectly capable of working it out themselves.

Part of the reason I asked you about Needham and the history of science and technology in China was to illustrate this point. Needham and his team certainly found considerable ingenuity on display from ancient China, and quite a lot of what we call 'science and technology' today that was discovered - and used - a long time ago in China. Too, being a more or less continuous record, and a very detailed one, they were able to reach a high degree of confidence in their conclusions.

However, IIRC, there was no need to introduce hypothetical hyper-dimensional beings with deep knowledge; plain ordinary people - like you and me? - were perfectly capable of achieving the results that we can see clearly.

 

[Nereid]

No, I'm not saying that. The hyperdimensional gods didn't provide the written formulas but gave many answers with details and instructed them to follow them. That means they gave all formulas already done. In the case of the Sumerian the Annunaki gods gave the use of 6 something I will try to explain in more detail, the same happens with number 52 in Maya and Egyptian calendars. Please notice a humble astronomer Anthoni Aveni from Colgate University, STUDIES Maya culture ans it's admited they had SOPHISTICATED calendar. What a difference from Moderator's attitude saying "that means nothing"!
www./chron.com/cs/CDA/ssitory.mpl/space/2472608[/URL]
This is saying a bit about Venus importance. The Russian Velikovsky -though attacked by Carl Sagan- was not completely wrong in his ideas and in fact one of the confusions was mistaken Venus with Mercury. Not only Mayas gave importance to 2012/2013, in fact observing the events not from any place but from Egypt, Leo constelation (a sphinx is a lion with the face of a man, in other times the tail was like a bull and Egyptians iluminated the lateral sides to give the impression of falcon wings) will position in front of the sphinx. They ancient people received a lot of information even the specialists are puzzled but they have been learning the 5th Sun will be the end of a cycle in that year. In armony with this knowledge the astronomers are detecting changes not only in Venus but in Jupiter and the whole Milky Way:
[PLAIN]www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_928596.html?menu=news.scienceanddiscovery[/URL][/QUOTE]
The first link is dead. Do you have unambiguous evidence that the behaviour of white oval on Jupiter in 2004 was predicted by 'the ancient people'?

 

[Nereid]

Check the site now:
www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/space/2472608

I checked it. It says that the Maya, like many other folk in times gone by, had developed a means to predict, fairly accurately, various sky phenomena. Given the importance of certain predictions, such as the changing of the seasons or the regular flooding of a major river, it's not at all surprising that such means were developed. Despite the way you have positioned these results oscar, they're not all that difficult reproduce, using only the tools available at the time; all you need is patience, a good memory, and a modest degree of attention to detail (oh, and you need to pass the information (modern term) on to younger folk etc; this is all but guarranteed by many social arrangements, e.g. priesthood, guild).

BTW, what does the article mean when it refers to "Ancient Mayan texts include accurate tables showing eclipses for Mars and Venus"?

 

[Nereid]

The Sun itself has increased its magnetic field 230 degrees since 1901. Sunspots are more often and bigger ust like magnetic storms,glowing plasma increased 1000%. I think you can have more information in Rutherford Appleton National Labs in California. On Earth it's forming H0 gas that was not like before in the same amount and it's not related to greenhouse effect or fluocarbon emisors. Venus is getting brighter; Jupiter has energetic charge visible like a tube of ionizing radiation. Magnetic fields in Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune are stronger and the planets are getting brighter. Uranus and Neptune had recent pole shifts, 40, 50 % offset original rotational pole.

I appreciate that your task is daunting - how to take the enigmatic, incomplete, etc records, often (always?) written in a dead language which hasn't been deciphered and turn them into specific, concrete predictions, written in the language of science of the 17th to 21st centuries.

However, that's unfortunately what you need to do.

Of all the above statements, the only ones which are close to being testable are:

- "Venus is getting brighter" (but, how much? compared with what? over what time period?)

- "the planets [Jupiter Uranus and Neptune] are getting brighter" (same questions as for Venus)

- "Uranus and Neptune had recent pole shifts, 40, 50 % offset original rotational pole" (what were the original rotational pole alignments? over what time periods did they change? "%" - as a measure of change - of what?)

Volcanic activity increased 500% since 1875 on Earth and earthquakes 400% since 1973 [...] Natural disasters increased 410% between 1963 and 1993 (hurricanes, typhoons, mudslides, tidal waves) like THE DAY AFTER film about to come.

These look very specific and concrete, but they lack something ... references to a) databases of such events (so we can check for ourselves the accuracy and consistency of the claims), and b) evidence that such specific claims were made in the writings of the ancients.

We got to check natrium in selenic surface and if atmosphere on Mars is getting thicker. The Earth itself is getting flatter on the poles and increasing the belly Equator and it seems the whole galaxy is moving towards a magnetic zone transforming all planets like spinning the milkshake of SPACE AND TIME with the straw.

The first is not a prediction. The second is a prediction, but is not testable (since no rate or size information is given). The third is unintelligible.

 

[Nereid]

Nereid: I have to confess Chinese civilization achieved a lot of things and now it seems by the time of Christopher Columbus and even prior their ships went far away but they kept many things inside their border and now we're only beginning to understand all what they achieved. I'm not familiar with many things regarding to China though I wanted to study Chinese but as I said before their 50.000 ideograms are related -as well as Sumerian scripture- to a knowledge coming from the gods and directly to the brain, as a program. Their scripture in fact has to be written from the top to the bottom and the scientists know the use of Mandarine language allows the use of the other brain hemisphere better than other languages. The scripture has been compared to Frank Rampsey's math glyphs.

You only need to know ~2,000 characters to be able to read much of what's written in newspapers written in Chinese today. AFAIK, the problem about reading and understanding ancient Chinese isn't so much the characters (tho' that's quite a challenge), but the context and punctuation. Never mind, if all high school and university graduates in China are expected to be able to grasp at least some ancient Chinese, I'm sure you can learn it too.

BTW, the 'top to bottom' is just one way Chinese can be written; in fact all four directions (left to right, right to left, bottom to top as well) are acceptable ... or at least they used to be. I don't know about the 'brain hemispheres'; seems a bit 'sus' to me.

 

[Nereid]

Then you can click on these:
www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/5thsun.htm[/URL]
[url]www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html[/url]
[URL]http://2012.netfirms.com/english/tmc/part3.html[/URL]
[url]www.siloam.net/jenkins/appendx2.html[/url][/QUOTE]But what, exactly, is the prediction for 2012/2013 (or predictions)?

 

[Nereid]

I know, I know, I know you're asking yourselves "what the heck of information about the Sun", "can we trust Oscar's delusions?" Don't trust me, do your homework! Shall I help thee, my dearrr frrriends?
www.ras.org.uk/html/meetings/2001/010309.html[/URL]
Even the experts are puzzled and worried.[/QUOTE]Hmm, discussions of on-going research in astronomy ... many things not yet (well) understood ... seems like a golden opportunity for oscar to tell us what the nature of these objects is (etc), and to make some concrete, specific, testable predictions!

I'll give you a hand oscar: if you can accurately predict what the nature of the short-duration gamma-ray bursts is, you'll be a hero! Be sure to tell us a) how far away they are, b) what the mechanism is for the production of gammas, and c) why the bursts have the duration and (gamma) spectrum that we observe.

 

[Nereid]

http://ascension2000.com/DivineCosmos/08.htm

At first glance, an even more confusing mixture of accurate reporting, inaccurate reporting, (deliberate?) misunderstanding, inconsistency, and so on that even Richard Hoagland's website!

But what has it got to do with hyperdimensional beings beaming the conclusions of their deep knowledge into the brains of ancient Egyptians, Mayans, Sumarians, etc?

 

[Andre]

oscar: Volcanic activity increased 500% since 1875.

Nereid: These look very specific and concrete, but they lack something ... references to a) databases of such events (so we can check for ourselves the accuracy and consistency of the claims),...

Those exist. How about ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/paleo/icecore/greenland/summit/gisp2/chem/volcano.txt[/URL].
It appears that increased volcanic activity after 1875 increased 0% until around around roughly 1930. Then there is certainly some increase until now. (note the year zero or "present" is 1950)

This is one of the most important proxies of the past.

 

[Nereid]

http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/gl...tophysical.html

Of course, if Mr. Moderator wants to have a personal chat with the respected SCIENTIST to take him out of misery, I can provide adress...HE-HE-HE!

NOT FOUND Error 404

 

[Nereid]

Those exist. How about ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/paleo/icecore/greenland/summit/gisp2/chem/volcano.txt[/URL].
It appears that increased volcanic activity after 1875 increased 0% until around around roughly 1930. Then there is certainly some increase until now. (note the year zero or "present" is 1950)

This is one of the most important proxies of the past.[/QUOTE]Thanks Andre.

From Greenland and Antartic ice-core data, what can be said about the yearly (decadely? century-ly??) variation in global volcanic activity, over the past 100,000 to 300,000 years? How unusual, wrt volcanic activity, is the period 1875 to 1930?

That's an answer (of sorts) to a); what about b)? {"evidence that such specific claims were made in the writings of the ancients"}

 

[Andre]

Well for 1875-1930 there is nothing unusual in this Greenland ice core proxy, just rather low activity.

The data go back only to 110.000 years BP and unfortunately there is no Antarctic version (yet) We need one desperately.

The marked increase of Volcanic activity in 10,000-20,000 years ago and around 70,000 years ago helps proving my pet idea.

 

[Nereid]

*SNIP
Five hundred years ago, kabalists understood Moses saying God filling eternity, shrank and in that God’s Big Crunch –tsim tsum- there was universal Big Bang expansion. God chose 10 dimensions or aspects to form the universe and included into our universe. 10 times is written “God said” in chapter 1 of Genesis. Kabalists thought only 4 from 10 dimensions are physically measurable while other 6 contracted in submicroscopic dimensions during the 6 days of Creation. So, what Kaku explained in his book HYPERSPACE without saying a word of what I do explain here comes to modern society CENTURIES LATE, I regret to say! The scientists reference to the original space of a “grapefruit” is just a renewed version of kabalists “mustard seed space”. Even in Naimonides times he was aware of Hebrew meaning of the creation STARTING IN THE AFTERNOON AND ENDING IN THE MORNING. Christians ignore the fact, the word “morning” is “boker” in Hebrew and means “distinguished, capable to be distinguish, ORDERED” while “afternoon” is “erev” meaning “confused, mixtured, DISORDERED”. Therefore, what Genesis was saying all the time is creation started in the chaotic entropy of the “afternoon” ending in the quantified order of the “morning”. Usually Christians don’t know either the meaning of the word “yown” translated as “day” and the fact Genesis is talking about simultaneous times using different clocks cos the sequence of events is not the same EVERYWHERE. In Exodus 31:17, Genesis 1:1 and 2:4 we clearly see not only the difference between creative days and THE DAY in which both heaven and Earth WERE MADE from a primordial substance. Then AFTER when energy from photons dropped to 3000 K degrees, the electrons could have stable orbits around helium and hydrogen nucleus and the photons not only liberated from universal matter (SEPARATED IS THE TERM USED IN THE JEWISH TORAH IN GENESIS BOOK) but also became visible. This fire was in the water and there was water in the fire, not separated as we know in our dimension. It was neo-kabalist brothers Wacholsky did in SFX in one of MATRIX movies making the fire have the attributes of water. More than 99% of Universal mass is under the form of hydrogen and helium, two of the slightest elements of the universe. That is known. But how many of you know when Genesis mentions the Earth was empty and vague it’s used the Hebrew words “tohu” and “bohu”? The most important physicist of particles in fact use the initial T and B (from ToHu and BoHu) as the two main blocs of formation of all matter. The pressure of forces of Big Bang literally did a fussion of this T and B into hydrogen and helium. So much of Hawkins’ expertise!

Not many - any? - specific, concrete, testable predictions here, the core of oscar's post starting this thread.


Except (maybe), "More than 99% of Universal mass is under the form of hydrogen and helium, two of the slightest elements of the universe." It's not a 'prediction' from oscar's reading of ancient texts (or, not one that oscar seems to be claiming comes from the texts).

But suppose it is? Well, then we have a concrete, specific example of a *failure* - most of the mass in the universe is in the form of 'dark matter', not baryons such as those comprising H and He!

 

[oscar]

Nereid, in all your posting you're not denying anything. You are just asking me more information, more details, you even criticized quickly you found a dead site, then you find it after and not giving it a thought, immediately asked for further explanation of the site, you asked what does the site means when admits "accurate tables showing eclipses for Mars & Venus", something that I already wrote. But to tell you the truth, I'm rather tired to give you more and more details. If you don't know about Mayas that's your problem. If you want to know why the site gives that information, do your homework, it's about time. BTW, Quiche languages of the Maya is not "dead" as you wrote and that makes evident the degree of education you have. I'm aware Chinese people need only 2000 ideograms to read the newspaper NOW, but I was referring to the context of a complex language in reference to time and I'm also aware of the rest of what you said. Regarding how the comprehension of the language is related to both hemispheres of the brain, if you want you can always search information as well. I'm not going to provide every single detail you ask just to satisfy your curiosity or ping pong discussion. When you mentioned the China issue,I honestly confessed I don't know enough of that thing, if I were a bit more arrogant I would behave like you, just answering whatever to "prove" my point. When I don't know something, I just don't talk about it.
You wrote "patience, memory, attention to detail to pass information" doesn't fit in precessional circumstances or astronomic names as given by Mayas and Sumerian people, there was no way to figure out those numbers but that is something I already explained with detail in the first pages. Hence you are asking me something I already explained before and I won't re-write again. Check back and this time don't "jump" information or read fast just to respond. You need to assimilate information. Since I'm not really having a special chat with you and you ask about Mayas and Sumerian astronomy completely ignoring something already known, to ask for more details will go foreever in your posts! I won't write a book here just to enlight you!
In spite of the fact I repeated you are using the same old fashioned argument about "formulas" and testable sort of thing, and didn't comprehend, well what can I do if you fail to understand what I wrote? You won't be satisfied ever, if you ask me about Pi or whatever, there won't be a satisfactory answer. You already have a NO SIGN recorded in your neurons not allowing to digest infomation. Your skepticism went beyond the frontiers and transformed into cynicism so unfortunately our conversation is over. If a Bible mentions specifically that order came out from chaos just as scientists are admiting now after thousands of years, that is certainly scientific as well as the testable fact the Earth hangs on the vacuum while other documents were saying it was upon an animal. What happens, is you want to read modern names, right? Even so, I have already told you the word for "expansion" and "darkness" was already explained in the Bible, so you're not denying anything that I wrote, you're just having a narrow minded attitude, "no, no, it's not enough, I want to see the formula of the Big Bang and this sort of thing". Every reader that eventually reads your post or my post shall judge what is good sense or nonsense "no,no,no". I won't discuss with you forever. Neither I mind what people may think about me.
If you want to say something about Mars as shown by Hoagland and posted by me is wrong, please specify WHAT IS WRONG AND WHY rather than making the usual general statements since I won't answer more Maya or Sumerian stuff for your eyes only.
Zelmers Zoetrop: Däniken didn't write about RNA messanger as far as I know. Yet RNA transcription not only takes place at the speed of light NOW, it has always done!

 

[Nereid]

Well, I guess how you choose to continue depends on what your objectives are.

If you wish to become rich and famous by initiating a revolution in 21st century physics and astronomy, then answering some of my questions may be of some assistance to your quest.

If you wish to write a book, then you don't need me to say anything.

But maybe you have other objectives entirely?

 

[oscar]

OOOPS! Comunication breakdown, Uhura says it's jammed!
www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/mesoamerican_astrology.htm[/URL]
This one takes a while to download :
http://employees.oneonta.edu/walkerr/Mesoamerica/Mayan%20Writing.ppt
[url]http://btc.montana.edu/ceres/MESSENGER/ancastro.htm[/url]
[url]www.siloam.net/sunrise/sunrise.htm[/url]
[url]www.es.flinders.edu.au/~mattom/science+society/lectures/lecture18.html[/url]
[url]www.cristobalcolondeibiza.com/2eng/2eng15.htm[/url]
The ones who can actually READ shall see Maya calendar was one of the most accurate calendar ever designed.

Other subject:
[PLAIN]www.iitp.ru/personal/Efim_Liberman/int_e.html[/URL]
[PLAIN]www.biologie.uni-regensburg.de/Mikrobio/Thomm/E/elongation.htm[/URL]
[PLAIN]www.ssril.slac.stanford.edu/newsletters/headlines/headlines_2-04.html[/URL]
[PLAIN]www.unifiedftheory.com/Exc4.htm[/URL]

 

[oscar]

Sorry, my ego is not in stratosphere like you believing I have to answer YOUR questions to create a revolution! Far from my intention. First the many contradictory theories would have to shock me to the point in fact ther are revolutionary! If they repeat somethng already known 1800 years ago or even before, that doesn't surprise me and other people at all! Only the ones who didn't even suspect Pi was implicit in the Bible! Must be pulling my legs! Something else to add besides the inaccuracy of reading Maya language is "dead"? Probably more than 50% of Mexican and people from Guatemala or Honduras indeed speak that very language! To think I was having a chat with someone who believed he knew something about Mayas! I regret I spent so much time discussing with such a fellow. I thought you were a little bit more educated. I was wrong. It's good anyway, now we can forget completely any reference about your PF "advice" and your persona.
Bye bye!

 

[oscar]

I'm dissapointed. In the theme Quantum Revolution in the subtitle "Kaku's Omission about Tycho crater" initiated by someone else, I'm not insulting, I just wanted to write about some more evidence about what is actually on Mars, and Mr. Moderator doesn't allow me to post in his FEAR of the truth:
www.mactonnies.com/imperative32.html[/URL]
[PLAIN]www.marsnews.com/news/20021004-boerner2.html[/URL]
[url]www.enterprisemission.com/message.htm[/url]
[URL]http://66.70.204.112/cydoniacontroversy[/URL]
[url]www.enterprisemission.com/ody.htm[/url]
[url]www.viewzone.com/marsface.html[/url]
Don't worry, I'm off a forum which erases what administrator wants to hide in behalf of science! I pity you!

 

[oscar]

Bye bye, you too, Mr. Moderator. Your attitude allows the reader and yourself how to deceive the public. Dr. Kaku can still figure out about aliens type I, II or whatever number. Let him and yourselves keep on searching.

 

[ahrkron]

One of the things that I find almost funny when reading the (sadly frequent) claim that "ancient people had Theory X all figured out", is the blatant ignorance such claims clearly display about theory X.

This instance is a particularly clear example. Oscar seems to think that using the same letters (t and b) has some relevance to the physics. It does not.

Similarly, the fact that some words in ancient texts seem similar to the names chosen for some concepts in today's physics makes no case at all. The content of those terms is given to them via precise predictions and measurements. Terms like "dark matter", "extra dimensions", "spacetime curvature", etc., have an extremely well-defined meaning only within a mathematical framework that connects them to experimental outcomes.

Oscar's claims are similar to saying that civilization X "knew all about TV" based on the fact that they had words for "tele" (=remote) and "vision". There is something else to a TV set than the name it has (i.e., about 100% of the important stuff).

 

[quddusaliquddus]

An instructive lesson can be learned from similar claims made in the past - when the 'trendiest' theory from science are chosen to be correlated with an ancient text. After a few years - as with most of science - a shif of persepective occurs due to some findings etc.. and those people are left in a Very embaressing situation.

 

[ahrkron]

Good point quddusaliquddus,

Also, it is interesting to notice how, after such embarassing moments, the ancient quote that turned out to be plain wrong starts to live a second life as a "symbolic" reference.

The selection of quotes from ancient texts has "evolved" this way. At any time in history, only those quotes compatible with scientific findings are held as examples of the wisdom of the ancients, or of the veracity of some relogious belief. The rest stay disregarded until applicable.

 

[oscar]

Ahrkron: You're putting the things in the wrong order. Science is given "labels" in Greek names as Kaku admited in his book with a humble attitude I rarely see in amateurs. The Greeks didn't name the things AFTER what is known now. The very expression "tele" that you use comes from Greek but it requires a concept and not just linguistic, of course. It's us the ones who use the notion of "atom" by Greek importation of the word and concept, so though they didn't have our modern devices they had the notion of something "undivisible". Now, you could worry if they knew something about "telepaty" that we could "experience" with submarines or even from out of the Earth and that eventually is demonstrated! Words and symbols are not independent knowledge; it's not a matter of playing games with words. Ancient names gave names according to what they understood independent of what we can or can't demonstrate...how did you wrote? Oh yes, you wrote "within a mathematical framework that connects them to experimental outcomes". I encourage you to read Dr. Kaku's humble attitude saying the math theorists don't even have the slightest idea why some numbers are chosen. And in fact, with the same math formulas we can "demonstrate" gravity exists as well as gravitons and that it doesn't exist, that is just an illusion; we can prove there's going to be a Big Rip or a Big Crunch and so on with contradictory statements and "experiments". Quoting Quddusaliquddus, that is embaressing! Very, very embaressing. If the Egyptians and the Hebrew text or Maya or Sumerian or Inca had the words and symbols and numbers, so we're not playing with games here. We have the astonishing ruins archeologists and historians still investigate, the temples SHOUT for themselves about what they knew, so don't give us the cocky impression the ancient people were dummy when even the Europeans at that time were stunned. Don't believe me, buy your local tv channel and check History Channel and see how puzzled they are; not even their mock ups and miniatures work when they try to imitate the building technique. All the temples, were done to reflect what they understood from heaven. If Dr.Hawass and Lehner's friends were incapable to answer some specific items in their Egyptian forum, I suppose you -who are not historians, nor archeologists but enjoy astronomy and math theories- won't be in particular advantage to answer some questions. Specially Nereid who wasn't even aware Maya language never "died". Of course, you can always try. Nice effort though! But I think is enough for answering you questions and wait for your replies pages after pages and still giving more information. I'm not naïve to ever think I will convince anybody. Nobody convinces anything at all even if you see a lot of formulas or specific information. The people CHOOSE what to believe and refuse.
Shall I interrogate you about science theories or history? Would you respond? Why don't you check ALL CONTRADICTORY THEORIES OF THESE VERY FORUM and select the ones you choose for everybody to know your scientific approach.
So Mr. Nereid, Akhron,Quddusaliqqudus or whoever, can write each one of your beliefs.
You can write what do you think the space is made of; the nature of time and space; if there's going to be a Big Rip or a Big Crunch, if neutrins do have mass or not; if there are real gravitons and gravity as a force or is just an illusion; if you believe we really understand the redshift or if we are misunderstanding the whole thing and confuse with the curve of space-time; which form of universe shall we swear upon and how many exact dimensions and so on. You know, what's going to be the answer? NO ISOLATED ANSWER. Each one of you are going to choose what you like so I ask you from the bottom of thy hearts. Is that science or just multiply theories as multiplied dimensions and universes? Hence, you can play the chess game and think you're "knowing". You can deceive yourselves but not me. I already said I had the guts to explain with anticipation what science can or may discover in the future:
1) There was God's (you may call "energy" if the title used by REAL scientists disturbs your sould) BIG CRUNCH before the BIG BANG. That's kaballah "formula". 2)Chaos gave birth to order as it was already explained in ancient translations, not just words, CONCEPTS, MR. 3) Hyperdimensional hybrid creatures allow to be seen in specific places and circumstances related to our Earth time. They were drawn by all ancient civilizations and called by the name of "gods" and "demons". The use of certain elements like pyramids (with the detail UNKNOWN by the readers here, the purpose of the polished stones even to optical level in some cases), copper preferred than iron, gold, arks, quartz, etc., helped in that interaction. It was always needed the use of hallucinogenic substances to have a chat with those realms cos the Hertz frequence was important. Some substances in fact have the chemical structure quite like serotonine or endorphines which were serve like "keys" to the brain "doors":
www.jornalinfinito.com.br/series.asp?cod=81[/URL]
[PLAIN]www.jornalinfinito.com.br/series.asp?cod=80[/URL]
That's the MEDIUM for the information. With some of these substances you don't even require the use of math formulas cos you can actually SEE even fractal geometry with closed eyes beyond the limits of minimum % of frequences available and caught by your eyes. Yet to keep on discussing the issue really goes OFF the topic I initiated. If anyone wants to contradict or disagree you can always OPEN a new thread and there I shall follow...of course, if I'm allowed! As I said before, Mr. Moderator didn't allow me to answer more information about MARS in the proper place not to discredit Dr. Kaku. I wonder why if my information is "pathetic" according to his own point of view. He should've let the readers judge by themselves how idiot can I be...or not. Therefore he is not only stopping me , he is indirectly thinking the readers are uncapable to discern what is true or false.

 

[oscar]

You can check specially blue lilly, psyloybin from mushrooms, mescalito in Mexico, Ayahuasca in Peru, etc:
www.montana.edu/wwwai/imsd/rezmeth/transmit.htm[/URL]
[url]www.peyote.com[/url]
[url]www.umsl.edu/~rkeel/180/hallucin.html[/url]
Of course, Dr. Kaku has another speciality in neo-Babel Russian salad of sciences, he didn't even IMAGINE the door to Planck's dimension can be achieved not by outerspace vehicles or energy but indeed it's always been done into innerspace...He's always confused, even in his Picasso and Dali's examples. Dali knew better than his examples cos Dali was connected with those realms in his crazyness. Kaku should've read Dali's concept about DNA and his biography to know better. Kaku confused the reflection in the mirror with reality. This thing you call "daily awareness" is just a gray shadow of what is real. That's why Dali's COLORS were different, they tried desperatly to achieve those Planks' realms where Azazel Asimov's demon may dwell. The squizophrenic universe was a mind disorder in psycological terms in other times. Then after they found out interesting physical differences compared with other brains. And now they have found in some of them (in marrows) the prions, bigger than virus but smaller than bacteria...who knows what are we going to learn in the future with better devices...hmmm? I better withdraw, now the Romans are coming to crucify me...

 

[oscar]

psylocybin..

 

[oscar]

...very "applicable" but I regret to say, the evidence is personal, very subjective from the observer's point of view, very objective for the one who experiences it...like the dreams not reproduced with machines in labs, yet very real.

 

[oscar]

Welcome to God's mind, the hollographic universe, expanding cosmo-vision "ideas"...like soap bubbles. Everything started in the "soup" of elements or information binary bites-bytes. Wawawawow!

 

[Andre]

oscar you said:

Specially Nereid who wasn't even aware Maya language never "died". (...)So Mr. Nereid, Akhron,Quddusaliqqudus or whoever, can write each one of your beliefs.

Sorry, Nereid, (a.k.a. Mr Moderator) allow me the fun, I say:

Especially oscar who wasn't even aware who Nereid "were"

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The Nereids are the fifty daughters of Nereus and Doris who dwell in the Mediterranean Sea. These beautiful women were always friendly..