Did Moses Predict the Big Bang Theory?

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  • #51
I agree with you the Bible doesn't lecture about science. Yet Hebrew language does have many layers and you could well interpret the bands, cords in many ways and also about the nothingness regarding the Earth hanging upon that or the rotation of the planet as clay transformed by the artist or the mention of the word "hugg" meaning circle in all directions, a sphere. That is scientific data though coming from a religious book. Readers can keep on asking themselves why continue with that, yet they are here discussing the subject. And I can return the ball to them, why discuss math theories which have no evidence whatsoever? Because the pleasure of knowing. Russ_waters should recommend Odenwald astronomer, Michio Kaku and even Newton not to write philosophy and Greek myths or religion with science either. Yet they have done precisely that whether he likes it or hates it tooth and nail.
 
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  • #52
Pretty good ideas about pyramids. Yap, not reality, just theories. Why would I be interested in searching what Mr. said in the forums if he can't give a proper simple answer about the choosing of a name on planet Mars, that's modern knowledge! Worst would be asking about history! Mr. , first, I have said and you KEEP ON NOT UNDERSTANDING Mayas and ancient civilizations won't provide formulas to you. If you want to learn about their codes I already gave you specific information about numbers used by them but don't expect me to get you out of misery explaining every single detail about the existence of Neptune, Uranus which was a recent "discovery". You maybe think the author of Gulliver by chance mentioned the moons of Mars centuries before the discovery do you think I will give you MORE information if you didn't even read all the sites I gave you? This is not a conversation of someone really interested in knowing something about them. You're just answering to have ping pong argument with me. I said and repeat you haven't got the right to deserve further information. So, you can keep on saying whatever you want and your speculations about pyramids not even archeologist Lehner knows for sure.
You keep asking for religious formulas and yet your math theories and measures are not a universal law, just check the forum and different ideas. So, why wasting MY TIME in such crap? I let real physicist and theorist and astronomers keep on arguing and contra-argument among themselves and keep the files of what is written and after a while I accept a "relative truth" just like relative relativity, how do you like it? HA-HA-HA!
I could've told you more and more but you haven't given a simple answer about why Sumerians and Mayas chose those numbers and Egyptians and Hebrew codes. So, if you can't answer something related to MATH which is the subject you think you know, how on Earth would you understand the history field and other things that you vaguely know? NO WAY, MAN (or woman)!
 
  • #53
Severian: I agree with you the scientific mind doesn't have to stop. I'm not saying scientists should stop. I'm just sharing some things from the past and it's up to a fistful of scientists to search about the past and keep on using their brain and skill. In this kind of forum, you won't read many times (if ever) about Nikolai Tesla or Oppenheimer, both of them swallowing a lot of information about Hindu ancient manuscripts. The latter even learning Sanscrit to understand the religious myths better. That's a real scientific mind. Newton wrote more about religion than science and Leonardo Da Vinci was religious person. Einstein wrote personal letters to his friend with the name of his God and Ramanujan didn't hide the name of the goddess who inspired him. That's religion, for Christ sake! But some people stone me here cos they have the math god disguised as not religion but "science". If you want to convince me that is not faith, I won't be convinced. You will keep on fighting just like Hawking rejected Thorne because of personal belief. In that sense the ones who grab to science faith have too much to lose cos they believe so firmly. That's not my problem, I'm not a Maya worshipper, neither Inca. You know nothing about me. The path of science is not limited. There's no universal truth applying for many years, after a while a new theory replaces others. Yet, no important scientific information has denied what ancient knowledge described and is pretty evident the ones who ignore all about them have absolute silence regarding them. In this forum we rarely see scientific genius, if they were they should've behave like the ones I mentioned.
 
  • #54
Severian: when we talk about language, we need to search the orginal source. What you say about "kimono" and then apply to Greek is just an irony that doesn't reflect what I posted. If I mention a book in the Bible I need to know not the translation picked because of my liking but the real Hebrew source. You can still have time to re-read my previous postings and you will check the DATES of the interpretation of Hebrew by Maimonides reading what Moses wrote thousands of years ago. So anyone can go to the library and check by himself (herself) if wants to do that. Science now is just discovering what they have already said in simple form. It's not a new interpretation according to my preference. In fact, I had the GUTS to say something science hasn't discover yet,that there was God's Big Crunch before Big Bang and there will be dramatic changes in the Sun in 2012/2013.
 
  • #55
And if Einstein and Kaku or Hawking mentioned the title "god" (in Hebrew "elohim" and in Greek "theos") WHO THE HECK IS MR.MODERATOR OR A BUNCH OF UNKNOWN WRITERS TO SAY I CAN'T MENTION THE TITLE?
 
  • #56
www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=197443#post197443
Something really bad is happening with Mr. Moderator, he's hiding the # of pages of this thread, he's hiding how many people are reading the subject, though the forum is filled with references to God & philosophy he sends me private messages warning me not to write about those things and also doesn't want me to make references to other things I posted here, a privilege he allows to other participants. That's a fair scientific approach?
 
  • #57
oscar said:
*SNIP
... and there will be dramatic changes in the Sun in 2012/2013.
This looks like it might become a specific, concrete, and testable prediction. Would you care to elaborate please?
 
  • #58
oscar said:
Pretty good ideas about pyramids. Yap, not reality, just theories. Why would I be interested in searching what Mr. said in the forums if he can't give a proper simple answer about the choosing of a name on planet Mars, that's modern knowledge! Worst would be asking about history! Mr. , first, I have said and you KEEP ON NOT UNDERSTANDING Mayas and ancient civilizations won't provide formulas to you. If you want to learn about their codes I already gave you specific information about numbers used by them but don't expect me to get you out of misery explaining every single detail about the existence of Neptune, Uranus which was a recent "discovery". You maybe think the author of Gulliver by chance mentioned the moons of Mars centuries before the discovery do you think I will give you MORE information if you didn't even read all the sites I gave you? This is not a conversation of someone really interested in knowing something about them. You're just answering to have ping pong argument with me. I said and repeat you haven't got the right to deserve further information. So, you can keep on saying whatever you want and your speculations about pyramids not even archeologist Lehner knows for sure.
You keep asking for religious formulas and yet your math theories and measures are not a universal law, just check the forum and different ideas. So, why wasting MY TIME in such crap? I let real physicist and theorist and astronomers keep on arguing and contra-argument among themselves and keep the files of what is written and after a while I accept a "relative truth" just like relative relativity, how do you like it? HA-HA-HA!
I could've told you more and more but you haven't given a simple answer about why Sumerians and Mayas chose those numbers and Egyptians and Hebrew codes. So, if you can't answer something related to MATH which is the subject you think you know, how on Earth would you understand the history field and other things that you vaguely know? NO WAY, MAN (or woman)!
Let's see if I undertstand what you're saying oscar.

1) You claim there is deep knowledge of how the universe works within ancient writings.

2) You claim that these ancient texts show that 'gods' gave some select groups of our ancestors some kind of intuitive understanding of the nature of the universe, but not any details that fit within the framework of what we call 'science' today.

3) Specifically, you explicitly state that *none* of the ancient texts, and the 'gods-given understanding' of the universe they contain, can be used to make specific, concrete, testable predictions.

How am I doing?

On a somewhat unrelated topic, what's your opinion of Joseph Needham's https://booktrade.cambridge.org/series.asp?series=NCSC ?
 
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  • #59
No, I'm not saying that. The hyperdimensional gods didn't provide the written formulas but gave many answers with details and instructed them to follow them. That means they gave all formulas already done. In the case of the Sumerian the Annunaki gods gave the use of 6 something I will try to explain in more detail, the same happens with number 52 in Maya and Egyptian calendars. Please notice a humble astronomer Anthoni Aveni from Colgate University, STUDIES Maya culture ans it's admited they had SOPHISTICATED calendar. What a difference from Moderator's attitude saying "that means nothing"!
www./chron.com/cs/CDA/ssitory.mpl/space/2472608[/URL]
This is saying a bit about Venus importance. The Russian Velikovsky -though attacked by Carl Sagan- was not completely wrong in his ideas and in fact one of the confusions was mistaken Venus with Mercury. Not only Mayas gave importance to 2012/2013, in fact observing the events not from any place but from Egypt, Leo constelation (a sphinx is a lion with the face of a man, in other times the tail was like a bull and Egyptians iluminated the lateral sides to give the impression of falcon wings) will position in front of the sphinx. They ancient people received a lot of information even the specialists are puzzled but they have been learning the 5th Sun will be the end of a cycle in that year. In armony with this knowledge the astronomers are detecting changes not only in Venus but in Jupiter and the whole Milky Way:
[PLAIN]www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_928596.html?menu=news.scienceanddiscovery[/URL]
 
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  • #61
The Sun itself has increased its magnetic field 230 degrees since 1901. Sunspots are more often and bigger ust like magnetic storms,glowing plasma increased 1000%. I think you can have more information in Rutherford Appleton National Labs in California. On Earth it's forming H0 gas that was not like before in the same amount and it's not related to greenhouse effect or fluocarbon emisors. Venus is getting brighter; Jupiter has energetic charge visible like a tube of ionizing radiation. Magnetic fields in Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune are stronger and the planets are getting brighter. Uranus and Neptune had recent pole shifts, 40, 50 % offset original rotational pole. Volcanic activity increased 500% since 1875 on Earth and earthquakes 400% since 1973 (if I mention the Bible prophecies regarding all this increasing in the world at the same time, Mr. Moderator will be upset with me, so why teasing him? I'll better not!). Natural disasters increased 410% between 1963 and 1993 (hurricanes, typhoons, mudslides, tidal waves) like THE DAY AFTER film about to come. We got to check natrium in selenic surface and if atmosphere on Mars is getting thicker. The Earth itself is getting flatter on the poles and increasing the belly Equator and it seems the whole galaxy is moving towards a magnetic zone transforming all planets like spinning the milkshake of SPACE AND TIME with the straw. Hence, the sensation of everything moving so fast (even in the county) perhaps it's not psycological as Nobel Prize winner, Alexis Carrel thought...with all do respect. Of course, if you send a telescope in the outskirts of our own Earthy neighborhood which ain't reaching the "center" of the universe neither the Milky Way even, we wouldn't know, we're too close like watching a baseball game from the corner of the stadium with a single tiny micro-camera compared with the size of the field! Absurd! Something is about to come in the following years and that's not a prediction of the end of the world. Not even in the Bible with people who don't even know the difference between the Greek world "kosmos" (world) with the word "aion" meaning "system of things" or "era" so it always meant a change of order and circumstances, even in the Bible.
 
  • #62
Nereid: I have to confess Chinese civilization achieved a lot of things and now it seems by the time of Christopher Columbus and even prior their ships went far away but they kept many things inside their border and now we're only beginning to understand all what they achieved. I'm not familiar with many things regarding to China though I wanted to study Chinese but as I said before their 50.000 ideograms are related -as well as Sumerian scripture- to a knowledge coming from the gods and directly to the brain, as a program. Their scripture in fact has to be written from the top to the bottom and the scientists know the use of Mandarine language allows the use of the other brain hemisphere better than other languages. The scripture has been compared to Frank Rampsey's math glyphs.
 
  • #63
I ask you to re-read the sites I quoted in page 3 before I procede.
 
  • #64
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  • #65
When I say "formulas", you don't have to imagine math symbols, that's why you need to understand their symbols, not Pitagorian or Euclidian.
 
  • #66
I know, I know, I know you're asking yourselves "what the heck of information about the Sun", "can we trust Oscar's delusions?" Don't trust me, do your homework! Shall I help thee, my dearrr frrriends?
www.ras.org.uk/html/meetings/2001/010309.html[/URL]
Even the experts are puzzled and worried.
 
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  • #67
Somebody said Venus, here, that's my cue.

The Russian Velikovsky -though attacked by Carl Sagan- was not completely wrong in his ideas and in fact one of the confusions was mistaken Venus with Mercury

Would that mean that it was Mercury, "starring" in Worlds in Collision?

I take it that Velikovski was right about a possible relationship between unfossilised hippo remains in the Thames UK and Venus. He may have been, but in a way that nobody could have foreseen, except of course the Kabbalists
 
  • #68
Yap, your assumption is correct.
 
  • #69
Well, if Mercury was ejected from Jupiter, it's kindda hard to visualize where all it's dynamic energy went. You would expect the orbit of Mercury being highly eliptical with its apogee close to the orbit of Jupiter.
 
  • #70
I haven't investigated the issue with detail cos everything is so relative. The scientists do follow a premise which is uniformitarianism idea, that the events or circumstances now are the keys to understand what happened in the past. The fact is even our own planet Earth is issue of discussion, if it's expanding, if did it have the shape of an egg in the past, if it's getting flatter on the poles and wider in Equator's belly, if it spinned faster in ancient times altering the ticking in a shorter day and in fact altering the very year, we discuss about the origin of the very planet and the Moon, so the Mercury you see now in it's position and the current circumstances we see in space has absolutely nothing to do with what happened in the past, so there will follow an hypothetical measurement of the dynamic energy in the past? Even the measures we have about light-years is because of the use of paralax trigonometry. That math shouldn't be applied to far away stars but onlu to closer stars! Put a finger in front of your nose and watch it with the left eye and then with the right eye, the position of the angle of variation of the finger will change related to the objects which are at the back of your visual field. If you do the same thing with stretched arm,the finger will look like moving a bit less related to the objects at the back. A celestial body will move more related to fixed constelations NEAR TO US when observed by 2 distant points upon the surface of the Earth. The less angle we could check naked eye is just a minute of an arc or 1/60 of 1 degree. Applying those math formulas to distant stars as if they were near is an illusion. And even if that was accurate (and I'm skeptical), that's all! You can't rewind Mercury or Venus history (even our Earth) like Superman spinning around the Earth in order to witness what was going on. We can only speculate and that is not science realms, that's just speculation disguised with the mask of science.
www.newphys.se/elektromagnum/physics/Jonsson
 
  • #71
must not be a smoker...he's got a lot of wind...i am breathing heavy just reading

Pan
 
  • #72
Relax, take a deep breath and then go on... I don't want you to have a heart attack!
 
  • #73
I hope Mr. Moderator won't say Goddard Space Flight Center is talking "science fiction":
www.gsfc.nasa.gov/topstory/20020801gravityfield.html[/URL]
 
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  • #74
http://ascension2000.com/DivineCosmos/08.htm
 
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  • #75
What happened with Nereid, Peter Pan and the rest?
 
  • #76
http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/gl...tophysical.html

Of course, if Mr. Moderator wants to have a personal chat with the respected SCIENTIST to take him out of misery, I can provide adress...HE-HE-HE!
 
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  • #77
Don't worry. They are around, I'm sure. It's not a chatbox of course. Don't despair when an answer takes a day.

Moreover is quite heavy stuff though and requires some philosofising. Why don't you glance casually at this thread. There may be some useful hints about how a theory works.
 
  • #79
Interesting! Yet that thread didn't explain why Moderator hid the # of posts, replies and views. What do you think is happening in his scientific mind? Do you think he maybe affected cos his beliefs are put in jeopardy?
 
  • #80
oscar said:
Don't trust me, do your homework!
As we've explained before, it isn't our homework: its your homework. We won't do it for you. If you've done it, you should be able to present us something (anything) clearly and concisely. For example, what is the bible verse which contains the precise value of Pi?
 
  • #81
oscar said:
I hope Mr. Moderator won't say Goddard Space Flight Center is talking "science fiction":
www.gsfc.nasa.gov/topstory/20020801gravityfield.html[/URL][/QUOTE] What do you mean? Interesting link, but it doesn't seem to have anything to do with what we're talking about here. There isn't any science fiction there.
 
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  • #82
Well, I guess that there is a very physical explanation for a pulsating equatorial bulge. I can think of one.

However this link is attraction attention. The baloney detector is getting rather nervous. However, there seems to be a Prof. Alexey Dmitriev indeed. So chances are that these new age hypotheses have some trusthworthiness in certain circles.

Our Planet Earth is now in the process of a dramatic transformation;by altering the electromagnetic skeleton through a shift of the geomagnetic field poles, and through compositional changes in the ozone, and hydrogen, saturation levels of its gas-plasma envelopes. These changes in the Earth's physical state are being accompanied by resultant climatic/atmospheric, and biospheric, adaptation processes. These processes are becoming more and more intense, and frequent, as evidenced by the real time increase in "non-periodic transient events"; ie., catastrophes.

What to do with it. Looking at the late quartenary geology, say the last million years there are most certainly many remarkable phenonema. But if "altering the electromagnetic skeleton through a shift of the geomagnetic field poles" is bothering him, rest assured, it happened many times and there is no trace of Earth going through difficult times. For the moment there is no clear relationship between Earth magnetic field (changes) and climate (changes).

but we can explain the majority of them with the "clathrate gun" together with the same design flaw of planet Earth that killed https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=2974.

Just plain physics, no unknown cosmic phenomena.
 
  • #83
Russ: you can insist forever what it's my duty or not. The theme here was Big Bang and I have already explained that knowledge was known 1800 years ago by Maimonides who knew Hebrew better than Christians. Then the issue has been changing. Now, if you want me to demonstrate every single aspect teaching you history that's other topic. What we know about modern physics and theories is available all over the places yet history is something not too many people want to search regarding this subject. That's why I say I do my homework, yo do yours. In fact I have giving extra details for quite a while. Now you ask me ANOTHER question? Well, first I would like to know what do you know about Hebrew language? The so called "sacred" cubit measured 25 inches and not 18 while the royal cubit n Egypt was 20 inches. Perhaps your interesting question needs to be examine in Isaiah 19:18, 19. Do you know something about it? Of course not!
Lemme instruct you:
http://greatpyramid.org/aip/gr-pyr1.htm
You will see a reference to Enoch and "inch" in that site. Yet, I tell something more, the name of Aztecs' city was "T-Enoch-Titlan in Nahuatl language and means the same thing mentioned in the Bible about people who knew astronomy, meaning the "city of Enoch" which in Egyptian calendar was related to the constelation of the Dof and Phoenix cicle called Pe-Hanok meaning "house of Enoc". The Maya pyramid in Teotihuacan has the exact number given in the Bible linked to the Enoch who was "taken" (in space-time?)by "God", Genesis 5:23; Genesis 4:17.
 
  • #84
Most of modern knowledge about Earth, gravity, etc, comes from the same Freemason scientist Newton who not only wrote more about religion than science but in fact sent a friend to measure Great Pyramid. So, he was the first "pyramidiotic". Now that you know in Hebrew math-alphabet code in Isaiah mentions the altar Great Pyramid both in the center and border of the country, now that you know the hidden inscription tells us about 5449 sacred Hebrew inches and the chamber in the pyramid measuring 365.25 inches , you can see the same number appears linked to Enoch in Genesis and you can remember what I already said about the numbers 666 and 144.000 related to speed of light measured paying attention the circle of the Earth and not a straight line.
www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_2.htm
Of course, Mr. Moderator don't believe references cos he thinks he knows more than scientists in Goddard Space Flight or the Russian Alexei Dmitirv, perhaps he wants me to give Mike Lockwood's e-mail or adress in Rutherford Appleton National Laboratories in California, but who cares what Mr. Moderator could argue with them? Only him, of course.
I say again in case the stupid question comes again about formulas, THE BIBLE NEVER PRETENDED TO BE A SCIENTIFIC BOOK though some scientific accurate information is implicit. How many times do I have to post the same thing to stop making idiotic questions in that sense? For example, the instructions in order to make the ark were already explicit. God or the angel didn't explain to Moses circumsition exactly at the 8th day increased protrombine and vitamine K which is the better day to coagulate blood (while Western civilization took thousands of years to teach doctors to wash their hands!), Gods didn't explain to Jews, Incas, Egyptians if they practice circumsition they wouldn't get penis cancer. Hence the question RussRogerWaters asks belongs to Pink Floyd's stone trip, unless of course he can't add something more and has to repeat the same old "argument" to disregard what he considers useless.
 
  • #86
The Old and the New Testaments of the Bible seem to be full of miraculous events. Without using modern days scientific explanations, these events will continue to remain as miracles. But recently, I saw a program in the history channel that some of these events can be explained as extraterrestial interventions of superintelligence of lesser gods.
 
  • #87
Antonio Lao: I really didn't pretend to talk about all possible theme about the Bible because that would really lead us off the topic.I stated the issue Big Bang and eventually transformed into this. If we understand the original Hebrew language we could know more than the superficial layers known by 99.9% of Christians.In Hebrew, for example, there's a significant difference between "create" (barah) and "form", "make" or "modelate". In Genesis 1:26; 2:7, 18, 21, 22 in the context of Adan & Eve it doesn't say "create" but form from something already existing. In fact in 1:26; 3:22 and 11:6,7 we clearly see the use of PLURAL regarding "gods" (without being important what modern clasification we give to civilizations type I, II, III). It's not majestic plural of Trinity (as adapted from paganism centuries after Christ) but verb in plural of the "elohim". The Bibles don't translate "in the beginning the gods created heaven & earth" cos of the singular verb. But in the verses I mention it's specific use of plural as anybody can understand. The "god" as witnessed by Moses was a sort of angel as Acts 7:30, 35, 36, 38 describes very well. But it's not the unique book saying scientific facts in hidden way. Michio Kaku perhaps should ask his parents about the own writing of the first 5 numbers in Japanese since thousands of katakanas (2000) were imported from Chinese ideograms and then study Frank Rampsey's math gliphs. But, he's too busy and that's understandable yet regretable.
 
  • #88
http://fusionanomaly.net/greatpyramidsofgizah.html
 
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  • #89
Sorry, it's not that but this:
http:fusionanomaly.net/greatpyramidsofgiza.html
 
  • #91
oscar said:
All genetic information is decoded at the speed of light by RNA messenger which combines DNA “letters” into 3 letter “words”.


RNA transcription takes place at light speed now, guys! Wow! Those ancients sure were brilliant to have known that. Erik von Daniken is proud of you, Oscar.
 
  • #92
oscar said:
It's not baseless The Mayas predicted eclipses with 1000 years anticipation neither the fact of their exact to the second Venusian calendar. What is baseless is your ignorant comment without knowing neither history nor what modern astronomers have openly recognized about them! In insist, do homework and URGENTLY search your local library or buy a book in bookstores.Until then...
I read through the links you posted, but missed those two specific predictions.

Please provide:

- a list of which specific eclipses the Mayas predicted

- the Mayas' 'exact to the second Venusian calendar'; I'm particularly interested in how you determined its accuracy.
 
  • #93
oscar said:
*SNIP
It's easy from our modern perspective to talk about equinox and precesion when we already have a better idea of the things or after Newton and Copernicus checked ancient documents. But the people in the past couldn't actually witness those things even to IMAGINE long number of years about those cosmic laws.
I think you have - inadvertently - looked down on our ancestors. For example, the
Saros cycle, or something similar, was discovered a very long time ago, and there's nothing particularly mysterious about that. Nor any need to invoke hyper-dimensional beings with deep wisdom; plain ordinary intelligent people of the time were perfectly capable of working it out themselves.

Part of the reason I asked you about Needham and the history of science and technology in China was to illustrate this point. Needham and his team certainly found considerable ingenuity on display from ancient China, and quite a lot of what we call 'science and technology' today that was discovered - and used - a long time ago in China. Too, being a more or less continuous record, and a very detailed one, they were able to reach a high degree of confidence in their conclusions.

However, IIRC, there was no need to introduce hypothetical hyper-dimensional beings with deep knowledge; plain ordinary people - like you and me? - were perfectly capable of achieving the results that we can see clearly.
 
  • #94
oscar said:
No, I'm not saying that. The hyperdimensional gods didn't provide the written formulas but gave many answers with details and instructed them to follow them. That means they gave all formulas already done. In the case of the Sumerian the Annunaki gods gave the use of 6 something I will try to explain in more detail, the same happens with number 52 in Maya and Egyptian calendars. Please notice a humble astronomer Anthoni Aveni from Colgate University, STUDIES Maya culture ans it's admited they had SOPHISTICATED calendar. What a difference from Moderator's attitude saying "that means nothing"!
www./chron.com/cs/CDA/ssitory.mpl/space/2472608[/URL]
This is saying a bit about Venus importance. The Russian Velikovsky -though attacked by Carl Sagan- was not completely wrong in his ideas and in fact one of the confusions was mistaken Venus with Mercury. Not only Mayas gave importance to 2012/2013, in fact observing the events not from any place but from Egypt, Leo constelation (a sphinx is a lion with the face of a man, in other times the tail was like a bull and Egyptians iluminated the lateral sides to give the impression of falcon wings) will position in front of the sphinx. They ancient people received a lot of information even the specialists are puzzled but they have been learning the 5th Sun will be the end of a cycle in that year. In armony with this knowledge the astronomers are detecting changes not only in Venus but in Jupiter and the whole Milky Way:
[PLAIN]www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_928596.html?menu=news.scienceanddiscovery[/URL][/QUOTE]
The first link is dead. Do you have unambiguous evidence that the behaviour of white oval on Jupiter in 2004 was predicted by 'the ancient people'?
 
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  • #95
oscar said:
Check the site now:
www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/space/2472608
I checked it. It says that the Maya, like many other folk in times gone by, had developed a means to predict, fairly accurately, various sky phenomena. Given the importance of certain predictions, such as the changing of the seasons or the regular flooding of a major river, it's not at all surprising that such means were developed. Despite the way you have positioned these results oscar, they're not all that difficult reproduce, using only the tools available at the time; all you need is patience, a good memory, and a modest degree of attention to detail (oh, and you need to pass the information (modern term) on to younger folk etc; this is all but guarranteed by many social arrangements, e.g. priesthood, guild).

BTW, what does the article mean when it refers to "Ancient Mayan texts include accurate tables showing eclipses for Mars and Venus"?
 
  • #96
oscar said:
The Sun itself has increased its magnetic field 230 degrees since 1901. Sunspots are more often and bigger ust like magnetic storms,glowing plasma increased 1000%. I think you can have more information in Rutherford Appleton National Labs in California. On Earth it's forming H0 gas that was not like before in the same amount and it's not related to greenhouse effect or fluocarbon emisors. Venus is getting brighter; Jupiter has energetic charge visible like a tube of ionizing radiation. Magnetic fields in Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune are stronger and the planets are getting brighter. Uranus and Neptune had recent pole shifts, 40, 50 % offset original rotational pole.
I appreciate that your task is daunting - how to take the enigmatic, incomplete, etc records, often (always?) written in a dead language which hasn't been deciphered and turn them into specific, concrete predictions, written in the language of science of the 17th to 21st centuries.

However, that's unfortunately what you need to do.

Of all the above statements, the only ones which are close to being testable are:

- "Venus is getting brighter" (but, how much? compared with what? over what time period?)

- "the planets [Jupiter Uranus and Neptune] are getting brighter" (same questions as for Venus)

- "Uranus and Neptune had recent pole shifts, 40, 50 % offset original rotational pole" (what were the original rotational pole alignments? over what time periods did they change? "%" - as a measure of change - of what?)
Volcanic activity increased 500% since 1875 on Earth and earthquakes 400% since 1973 [...] Natural disasters increased 410% between 1963 and 1993 (hurricanes, typhoons, mudslides, tidal waves) like THE DAY AFTER film about to come.
These look very specific and concrete, but they lack something ... references to a) databases of such events (so we can check for ourselves the accuracy and consistency of the claims), and b) evidence that such specific claims were made in the writings of the ancients.
We got to check natrium in selenic surface and if atmosphere on Mars is getting thicker. The Earth itself is getting flatter on the poles and increasing the belly Equator and it seems the whole galaxy is moving towards a magnetic zone transforming all planets like spinning the milkshake of SPACE AND TIME with the straw.
The first is not a prediction. The second is a prediction, but is not testable (since no rate or size information is given). The third is unintelligible.
 
  • #97
oscar said:
Nereid: I have to confess Chinese civilization achieved a lot of things and now it seems by the time of Christopher Columbus and even prior their ships went far away but they kept many things inside their border and now we're only beginning to understand all what they achieved. I'm not familiar with many things regarding to China though I wanted to study Chinese but as I said before their 50.000 ideograms are related -as well as Sumerian scripture- to a knowledge coming from the gods and directly to the brain, as a program. Their scripture in fact has to be written from the top to the bottom and the scientists know the use of Mandarine language allows the use of the other brain hemisphere better than other languages. The scripture has been compared to Frank Rampsey's math glyphs.
You only need to know ~2,000 characters to be able to read much of what's written in newspapers written in Chinese today. AFAIK, the problem about reading and understanding ancient Chinese isn't so much the characters (tho' that's quite a challenge), but the context and punctuation. Never mind, if all high school and university graduates in China are expected to be able to grasp at least some ancient Chinese, I'm sure you can learn it too.

BTW, the 'top to bottom' is just one way Chinese can be written; in fact all four directions (left to right, right to left, bottom to top as well) are acceptable ... or at least they used to be. I don't know about the 'brain hemispheres'; seems a bit 'sus' to me.
 
  • #98
oscar said:
Then you can click on these:
www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/5thsun.htm[/URL]
[url]www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html[/url]
[URL]http://2012.netfirms.com/english/tmc/part3.html[/URL]
[url]www.siloam.net/jenkins/appendx2.html[/url][/QUOTE]But what, exactly, is the prediction for 2012/2013 (or predictions)?
 
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  • #99
oscar said:
I know, I know, I know you're asking yourselves "what the heck of information about the Sun", "can we trust Oscar's delusions?" Don't trust me, do your homework! Shall I help thee, my dearrr frrriends?
www.ras.org.uk/html/meetings/2001/010309.html[/URL]
Even the experts are puzzled and worried.[/QUOTE]Hmm, discussions of on-going research in astronomy ... many things not yet (well) understood ... seems like a golden opportunity for oscar to tell us what the nature of these objects is (etc), and to make some concrete, specific, testable predictions!

I'll give you a hand oscar: if you can accurately predict what the nature of the short-duration gamma-ray bursts is, you'll be a hero! Be sure to tell us a) how far away they are, b) what the mechanism is for the production of gammas, and c) why the bursts have the duration and (gamma) spectrum that we observe.
 
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oscar said:
http://ascension2000.com/DivineCosmos/08.htm
At first glance, an even more confusing mixture of accurate reporting, inaccurate reporting, (deliberate?) misunderstanding, inconsistency, and so on that even Richard Hoagland's website!

But what has it got to do with hyperdimensional beings beaming the conclusions of their deep knowledge into the brains of ancient Egyptians, Mayans, Sumarians, etc?
 
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