Did Thomas Young Misinterpret His Double Slit Experiment Results?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of Thomas Young's double slit experiment and whether he misinterpreted his results. Participants explore the historical context of Young's work, the methodology he employed, and the implications of their own experimental experiences. The conversation touches on theoretical aspects of wave theory, interference patterns, and the practical execution of similar experiments.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that Young's original experiment did not involve the double slit setup as commonly understood, but rather a card that split the beam, leading to different interpretations of the results.
  • Others question the validity of the OP's experimental setup, suggesting that blocking fringes does not affect the interference pattern unless a slit is blocked directly.
  • A participant mentions that the distance of the obstacle from the slits is crucial for the experiment's validity, asserting that the obstacle must be in contact with the slits to block them effectively.
  • Some participants express confusion about how Young conducted his experiment and seek clarification on the historical methodology versus modern interpretations.
  • There are claims that the results of blocking fringes are expected and do not contradict Young's findings, with some participants emphasizing that the experiment's design is key to understanding the outcomes.
  • Participants share personal experiences and variations of the experiment, noting discrepancies in results and interpretations of fringe visibility and diffraction effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus among participants regarding the interpretation of Young's experiment or the validity of their own experimental results. Multiple competing views remain, particularly concerning the significance of blocking fringes versus slits and the historical accuracy of Young's methodology.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the specific details of Young's original experiment and how it relates to their own experiences. There are unresolved questions about the definitions of terms used in the discussion, such as "blocking fringes" versus "blocking slits," and the implications of distance in experimental setups.

  • #31
Ibix said:
You said that 27 posts into the thread. Before that you were bemoaning not being able to understand how Young could do his experiment:

I've told you how to do that. The key difference between Young's set up and yours is the diverging nature of Young's natural illumination versus a collimated laser beam (hence the use of my glasses to make my beam diverge). Young was working in the near field (which is how he gets "shadow with fringes in it" rather than a ##\mathrm{sinc}^2## intensity profile), while almost certainly anything you are doing is in the far field.

As to his explanation, what's he saying that's more complex than "we get diffraction, and when I modify the slit I get different diffraction"?
"I do not understand how Young did his experiment" and " I do not understand Young's explanations" are one and the same thing. He says that the interference pattern disappears, and I wonder: from where? From the wall, from the small screens close to the slip, the ones further away?
And it is much more that "a different diffraction". For him, the disappearance of the interference pattern did not have the same meaning as it did since the 20th century. It was simply a confirmation of the wave nature of light. But his explanation of the disappearance of the interference pattern does not make sense, whatever the nature of light is. Not if it turns out that the disappearance can be gradual instead of sudden. And not if it turns out that only the fringes blocked are involved, and not automatically both sides.
 
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elou said:
He says that the interference pattern disappears, and I wonder: from where?
From the screen, where he was observing it.
elou said:
For him, the disappearance of the interference pattern did not have the same meaning as it did since the 20th century. It was simply a confirmation of the wave nature of light.
What do you think the meaning of it is in the 21st century if not a confirmation of the wave nature of light?
elou said:
But his explanation of the disappearance of the interference pattern does not make sense, whatever the nature of light is.
He adjusts the things that are causing the diffraction and the pattern changes. How are you going to explain that without waves? Bear in mind that you can see interference fringes, which are a strong hint that you've got waves anyway.

If you really want to understand it you need the Fresnel-Kirchoff integral, probably via Huygens' Principle first. I'd recommend buying Born and Wolf's Principles of Optics rather than randomly attempting to replicate two century old experiments.
 
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Thank you for your advice. This thread can be closed.
 
  • #34
Ibix said:
You said that 27 posts into the thread.
The ground is certainly shifting. It started out with the claim Young (and the thousands, possibly millions of people after him) measured it wrong. Now it's that his explanation is wrong.

This ground was covered in his previously closed thread. While I suppose we can go around and around again, I very much doubt much will have changed in the intervening two weeks.
 
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Ibix said:
If you really want to understand it you need the Fresnel-Kirchoff integral, probably via Huygens' Principle first. I'd recommend buying Born and Wolf's Principles of Optics rather than randomly attempting to replicate two century old experiments.
elou said:
Thank you for your advice. This thread can be closed.

Vanadium 50 said:
This ground was covered in his previously closed thread. While I suppose we can go around and around again, I very much doubt much will have changed in the intervening two weeks.
Presumably @elou will take the advice from both threads and read some textbooks before posting any more questions like this.

This thread is now closed. Thanks to all who have been trying to help the OP understand this material better.
 
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