Diesel internal combustion engine converted to hydrogen?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of converting a diesel internal combustion engine to run on hydrogen, as proposed by a specific method found on a website. Participants explore the implications of this conversion, particularly in relation to energy input and output, and the nature of the proposed technology.

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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the feasibility of the conversion method described on the website, noting that other sources have indicated it may not be viable.
  • Another participant dismisses the idea as a "free energy" scam, asserting that it is impossible to achieve more energy output than input with an internal combustion engine.
  • A different participant suggests that the method does not constitute a perpetual motion machine since it requires electrical input to produce hydrogen, but expresses skepticism about the effectiveness of using hydrogen in the modified engine.
  • One participant provides a detailed description of the proposed method, highlighting the process of using water and electrical pulses to generate hydrogen and oxygen, and claims that this could lead to a self-sustaining system, which others challenge as being fundamentally flawed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the feasibility of the hydrogen conversion method. While some express skepticism about the underlying principles, others attempt to clarify that it is not a perpetual motion machine, though doubts remain about its practical application.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the concept of perpetual motion machines and the limitations of energy conversion in internal combustion engines, but do not reach a consensus on the specific claims made about the hydrogen conversion method.

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Okay, so I've found this site (http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/carplans_doc.htm) and it claims to have a reliable method to convert a diesel engine to run off of hydrogen. Now, my question is is this actually feasible in the method they've described? I've asked two other sources and so far they say that it isn't. If you have the time to read through it and come to a conclusion, that would be great, but if you don't have the time please don't just skim through it. Thank you for any of your help!
 
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Forget it. This is a free energy (perpetual motion) scam. You will never get more energy out than you put in, especially with an internal combustion engine.

Bob S
 
hi bennis. A careful read through isn't required. This topic has been brought up dozens of times here so you may want to search on perpetual motion machines. Hopefully they're all locked because it's utterly hopeless to produce such a machine. Generally they're just rip-offs. Don't waste your time with perpetual motion machines, they don't work.
 
This isn't a perpetual motion machine though, it quite plainly requires input electricity from the battery to produce hydrogen and then uses the hydrogen as a fuel source. The part that i think may not work is using the hydrogen gas in the modified engine.
 
bennis, this is straight off the web page:
How It Works

Exceedingly simple. Water is pumped as needed to replenish and maintain the liquid level in the chamber. The electrodes are vibrated with a 0.5-5A electrical pulse which breaks 2(H2O) => 2H2 + O2. When the pressure reaches say 30-60 psi, you turn the key and go. You step on the pedal, you send more energy to the electrodes, and thus more vapor to the cylinders; i.e. fuel vapor on demand.

You set the idle max-flow rate to get the most efficient use of power, and you're off to the races.

In the big picture, your free energy is coming from the tap water in an open system, as the latent energy in the water is enough to power the engine and hence drive the alternator and whatever belt-driven accessories. And the alternator is efficient enough to run the various electrical loads (10 - 20 amps), including the additional low current to run this vapor reaction. No extra batteries are required.
That's called "perpetual motion"... (got you on the hook, don't they?) ;)
 

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