Difference b/t equilibrium and unstretched length of spring?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the difference between the equilibrium length and the unstretched length of springs in a system where a mass is attached to four identical springs. The problem involves analyzing the potential energy of the system when the mass is displaced from its equilibrium position.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore interpretations of the terms "unstretched length" and "equilibrium length," with some suggesting that unstretched length refers to the length of the spring without any load, while equilibrium length is the length under load. Others question the absence of a figure that is referenced in the problem statement, which complicates understanding the system.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their interpretations and clarifying definitions. There is no explicit consensus, but some participants express confidence in their interpretations based on the context provided.

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There is a noted absence of a figure that is crucial for visualizing the problem setup, which may affect the clarity of the discussion. Additionally, the original poster's statement about the difference between the lengths has led to varied interpretations among participants.

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Homework Statement


Consider a mass attached to four identical springs, as shown in the figure. Each spring has a force constant k and an unstretched length lo, and the length of each spring when the mass is at equilibrium at the origin is a (not necessarily the same as lo). When the mass is displaced by a small distance, show that its potential energy has the form (1/2)kor2 appropriate to an isotropic harmonic oscillator. Express the constant ko in terms of k.

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I just need help with interpreting this. The question didn't specify, it only told me they were different.
 
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I interpret unstretched length as corresponding to the equilibrium length of the spring with no mass attached.
 
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The problem statement references a figure, but there is no figure.

The free length is the length with no strain in the spring material. This usually means that the spring is not even supporting its own weight.

The equilibrium length would be the length of the spring when under some sort of load, perhaps due to gravity or some other force. The term suggests that there is some amount of strain in the spring material.
 
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Vitani11 said:

Homework Statement


Consider a mass attached to four identical springs, as shown in the figure. Each spring has a force constant k and an unstretched length lo, and the length of each spring when the mass is at equilibrium at the origin is a (not necessarily the same as lo). When the mass is displaced by a small distance, show that its potential energy has the form (1/2)kor2 appropriate to an isotropic harmonic oscillator. Express the constant ko in terms of k.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I just need help with interpreting this. The question didn't specify, it only told me they were different.
I assume the four springs go from the origin to the corners of a square, and that this is all in the horizontal plane.
Consider first that there is no mass, just the four springs. If a ≠ l0 then they are either under tension or under compression - it won't matter which. Adding the mass changes nothing immediately since we are ignoring gravity. When the mass is displaced a small distance from the origin (you will need to make suitable approximations here) the tensions/compressions change, leading to a net restoring force.
 
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Was there ever a figure attached by the OP? I have not seen any such, so I really don't know what system we are talking about here.
 
Grinkle said:
I interpret unstretched length as corresponding to the equilibrium length of the spring with no mass attached.
The problem statement denies that interpretation. The unstretched length is l0 but the equilibrium length is a.
 
Dr.D said:
Was there ever a figure attached by the OP? I have not seen any such, so I really don't know what system we are talking about here.
The OP "liked" my interpretation in post #4, so I presume that is correct.
 
Finished, thank you for the help. I now know the difference between equilibrium and unstretched length.
 

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