Difference between closed set and bounded set

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of closed sets and bounded sets in topology, exploring their definitions, examples, and the relationships between them. Participants seek to clarify the distinctions and implications of these terms within the context of mathematical analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the difference between closed sets and bounded sets, seeking clear definitions and proofs.
  • Examples are provided, such as the entire real line being closed but not bounded, and the interval (0, 1) being bounded but not closed.
  • One participant suggests that the relationship between closed and bounded sets is one-sided, stating that every closed set is bounded but not vice versa, citing examples to illustrate this point.
  • There is a discussion about the union of closed sets, with some participants questioning whether the union remains closed, leading to further clarification on the conditions under which unions of closed sets can be closed.
  • Definitions from a specific analysis course are referenced, indicating that the real line is closed because its complement is open, while also being unbounded.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between closed and bounded sets, with multiple competing views and examples presented. Some participants agree on specific examples, while others challenge the validity of certain claims regarding unions of closed sets.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of definitions and the conditions under which sets are classified as closed or bounded. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of these concepts without resolving the underlying complexities.

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The way they use the terms:"closed set" and "bounded set" make me thinking that a closed set is different from a bounded set but i can not figure out how to prove that. So can some body show me clearly the difference between those two terms?
 
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Yes. Write down a closed set that is not bounded, and a bounded set that is not closed. The two things aren't really related, so I wonder what your definitions of them are.
 
Some examples (usual topology for real line):

Closed but not bounded - entire line

Bounded but not closed - 0<x<1

This should give you some idea for proofs.
 
Now am getting the point but the question again rises:How can a set be closed without being bounded?
 
It seems like you are trying to think of this too intuitively. What does your definition say a closed set is? What does your definition say a bound set is?

You asked how a set can be closed without being bound, but mathman just showed you. By being the entire space.
 
JonF said:
You asked how a set can be closed without being bound, but mathman just showed you. By being the entire space.

Another example would be [0, 1] U [5, 6] U [10, 11] U [15, 16] U ... .
 
ok now i understand with this example. Thank you
 
In fact it is one sided relation , that every closed set is bounded but converse is not necessarily true , example is above cited [0,1] and [0,1) two are bounded but second one is not closed
 
hamchaley said:
In fact it is one sided relation , that every closed set is bounded but converse is not necessarily true , example is above cited [0,1] and [0,1) two are bounded but second one is not closed

I thought someone just gave an example of closed but not bounded, the entire line.
 
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CRGreathouse said:
Another example would be [0, 1] U [5, 6] U [10, 11] U [15, 16] U ... .

I might be wrong, but I think this is an incorrect example.. If you have a collection of closed sets, I believe only their intersection would be closed, not the union.
 
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The union of closed sets is not always closed, but it can be closed. In particular, the one Greathouse posted is closed (you can just check this with the definition of closed)
 
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According to the definitions in my analysis course:

The real line is closed because its complement, the empty set, is open.

Obviously the real line is not bounded because there is no upper bound and no lower bound.

So the real line is an example of a closed, unbounded set from that perspective.
 
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