Difference between diluting and adding

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differences between the phrases "dilute to 1.00 L with water" and "add 1.00 L of water" in the context of preparing a sodium hydroxide (NaOH) solution. Participants explore the implications of these phrases on the final concentration and volume of the solution, focusing on the preparation of a specific molarity of NaOH.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the final concentration is identical in both cases, given that both involve 20.0 g of NaOH and 1.00 L of water.
  • One participant notes that the solid NaOH occupies volume, which could affect the final concentration and volume of the solution.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of knowing the final volume of the solution after adding NaOH to water.
  • There is a suggestion that the definition of molarity, which is moles of solute per liter of solution, should be considered to infer the differences between the two methods.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the implications of the solid's volume on the final solution volume and concentration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the two methods yield the same final concentration or volume, indicating that multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of the two statements.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need to consider the volume occupied by the solid NaOH and how it affects the total volume of the solution, but do not resolve these considerations.

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Homework Statement


  1. Place 20.0 g NaOH(s) in a flask and dilute to 1.00 L with water.
  2. Place 20.0 g NaOH(s) in a flask and add 1.00 L of water.

How exactly do these two statements differ? Wouldn't adding 1.00L of water to 20.0g of NaOH dilute it anyways?

Homework Equations



none?

The Attempt at a Solution


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The original question was this:
Which of the following methods correctly describes the preparation of 1.00 L of an aqueous solution of 0.500 M NaOH?

a. Place 0.500 g NaOH(s) in a flask and dilute to 1.00 L with water.
b. Place 0.500 g NaOH(s) in a flask and add 1.00 L of water.
c. Place 20.0 g NaOH(s) in a flask and dilute to 1.00 L with water.
d. Place 20.0 g NaOH(s) in a flask and add 1.00 L of water.
e. Place 40.0 g NaOH(s) in a flask and add 500 g of water.

I was able to narrow it down to c and d (the two statements above), but I'm not sure what's the difference between the two.
 
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Is the final concentration in both cases identical?
 
@Borek — I don't think I am told anything like that...

Concentration = mole / liters. In both cases I have 1L and 20g (which can easily be converted to moles by using the atomic molar mass), don't I?
 
The solid occupies a volume, or makes a difference to the volume of liquid that it dissolves in, so in which case do you know at the end exactly the g/L ?
 
@epenguin —I'm not sure if it should be obvious by now, but I'm not sure bc in both cases the solid is already in the flask (and so occupies volumes)?
 
OK In which case at the end of do you know exactly the volume of the solution?
 
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When you fill up to 1L - what volume do you end up with?

When you add something to 1 L of water - is the final volume 1 L, or not?
 
JessicaHelena said:

Homework Statement


  1. Place 20.0 g NaOH(s) in a flask and dilute to 1.00 L with water.
  2. Place 20.0 g NaOH(s) in a flask and add 1.00 L of water.

How exactly do these two statements differ? Wouldn't adding 1.00L of water to 20.0g of NaOH dilute it anyways?

Homework Equations



none?

The Attempt at a Solution


[/B]
The original question was this:
Which of the following methods correctly describes the preparation of 1.00 L of an aqueous solution of 0.500 M NaOH?

a. Place 0.500 g NaOH(s) in a flask and dilute to 1.00 L with water.
b. Place 0.500 g NaOH(s) in a flask and add 1.00 L of water.
c. Place 20.0 g NaOH(s) in a flask and dilute to 1.00 L with water.
d. Place 20.0 g NaOH(s) in a flask and add 1.00 L of water.
e. Place 40.0 g NaOH(s) in a flask and add 500 g of water.

I was able to narrow it down to c and d (the two statements above), but I'm not sure what's the difference between the two.
By definition, Molarity is the No. of moles of solute per unit volume of solution (in L). What inference do you draw from it?
 
Think about:
What does "0.5 molar" mean?
For each possible answer, How much NaOH and how much solution do you end up with?

Edit: Strange! None of these replies were visible when |I posted. So I may be irrelevant.
 

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