Difference between "g" and "g^ij"

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The discussion centers around the distinction between "g" and "g^ij" in the context of a metric represented as a line element differential ds^2. Participants explore the definitions and implications of these terms within the framework of general relativity, focusing on their mathematical properties and applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that "g" could refer to the determinant of the metric tensor, denoted as g ≡ det(g_{ij}).
  • Another participant clarifies that g^{ij} typically represents the elements of the inverse matrix of g_{ij}, ensuring the relation g^{ij}g_{jk} = δ^i_k holds.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about whether "g" is indeed the determinant, questioning its relevance in the context of the problem posed by the professor.
  • One participant indicates that the professor's request for both g and g_{ij} implies that g is likely not just the metric itself but may refer to the determinant.
  • Another participant agrees that it would be unusual for the professor to ask for both g and g_{ij} if g were merely the metric.
  • Several participants acknowledge the importance of the determinant in relation to tensor densities and integration, although they express uncertainty about its significance at this stage.
  • One participant provides an example illustrating how the determinant of the metric appears in the context of volume elements in non-flat spacetimes.

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Participants generally agree that "g" likely refers to the determinant of the metric tensor, while "g^{ij}" denotes the inverse of the metric. However, there remains some uncertainty regarding the specific definitions and importance of these terms, indicating that the discussion is not fully resolved.

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Participants note that the definitions and implications of "g" and "g^{ij}" may depend on the specific context of the problem, and there are unresolved questions about the relevance of the determinant in various applications.

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I have a metric given as a line element differential ds^2. I have written down the 3x3 matrix with the coefficients. I am then asked to determine "g" (which I think i just did by enumerating the matrix) and "g^ij", which I normally would assume means the same thing, but apparently not.

So what exactly is the difference?

Many thanks,
 
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##g \equiv \text{det}(g_{ij})##.
 
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##g^{ij}## typically denotes what's on row i, column j of the inverse of the matrix with ##g_{ij}## on row i, column j. (Note that this ensures that ##g^{ij}g_{jk}=\delta^i_k##).

I would guess that g isn't the determinant here, but I suppose it could be. Has that definition been used in other problems, or in the text? If not, then I think you're just dealing with this:
$$g=g\left(\frac{\partial}{\partial x^i},\frac{\partial}{\partial x^j}\right) dx^i\otimes dx^j = g_{ij} dx^i\otimes dx^j.$$
 
Thank you both for your replies, but I too do not think the determinant is what the prof is looking for. For some context, I am not looking for actual answers to the problems, once I figure out what the prof wants I intend to do all the math myself! I'm freshly back in the classroom after graduating with a BS in biology over 40 years ago, taking GR for the first time, so the learning curve has been steep. This is actually homework from the spring semester that I'm slowing slogging through.

The only context I have is a problem a bit later when he's asking for both the contravariant and covariant g's (along with connection coefficients and more, see image below, I'm working on problem 5):

http://www.lehigh.edu/~sol0/HW2.png

So g has off-diagonal elements, and I suppose you are correct in that gij is the inverse matrix.
 
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Looking at that paper...it looks to me like g is the determinant...

The professor gives you the covariant ##g_{ij}## and is asking you to find its inverse ##g^{ij}## and its determinant ##g##. That's how I would see the problem anyways.
 
I agree. It would be weird to ask for both g and ##g_{ij}## if g is just the metric. So it probably is the determinant.
 
Thank you all, I'll run with the metric, its inverse and determinant, although it's unclear to me (at this time) why the determinant is important.
 
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Thank you all, I'll run with the metric, its inverse and determinant, although it's unclear to me (at this time) why the determinant is important.

The metric determinant shows up naturally when dealing with tensor densities, particularly with regards to integration.

But you won't see this for a while so I wouldn't worry too much about the actual use of ##g## for now.
 
For example you have the volume element:
[itex]dV= d^{4}x = dx^{0} dx^{1} dx^{2} dx^{3}[/itex]
Suppose you don't work in a flat spacetime, but in a spacetime with a general metric with elements [itex]g_{\mu \nu}[/itex].
Then you can make a transformation [itex]x^{\mu} \rightarrow \bar{x}^{\mu}= \bar{x}^{\mu}(x^{\nu})[/itex], and see that the volume element is no longer invariant. In order to be invariant you have to allow:
[itex]dV= \sqrt{|g|} d^{4}x[/itex]
which is the invariant volume element which you can use for integrations. [itex]|g|[/itex] is the absolute value of the determinant of your metric ([itex]g_{\mu \nu}[/itex]).
 
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