Difference Between Heat & Agitation - Atomic Scale

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the distinction between agitation and heat at the atomic scale, particularly in the context of dissolving salt in water. Participants explore how temperature and stirring affect the dissolution process and the relationship between mechanical work and heat generation.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the difference between agitation and heat, noting that both seem to involve increased molecular movement when dissolving salt in water.
  • Another participant explains that diffusion is a random process influenced by concentration gradients, while agitation systematically moves low concentration regions over the solute, enhancing the diffusion rate.
  • Some participants assert that stirring does indeed generate heat, referencing Joule's experiment which demonstrated the equivalence of work and heat, indicating that mechanical work can increase the temperature of a liquid.
  • Further elaboration on Joule's findings includes the mechanical equivalent of heat, specifying the amount of mechanical energy required to produce a small amount of heat, highlighting the efficiency of work to heat conversion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the extent to which stirring contributes to heating the liquid, with some asserting it does while others question the significance of the temperature increase compared to the mechanical work done.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the nuances of how agitation and heat interact or the specific conditions under which one may dominate over the other in practical scenarios.

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hello. Simple question here for somebody just learning the basics. On the atomic scale what’s the difference between agitation and heat? For example, diluting salt in water. If you increase the heat of the water, more salt dissolves. Stirring it also makes the salt dissolve more too it seems. But what’s the difference between stirring (agitation I’m guessing is what it’s called) and heat? Both are increased movement of molecules. So how come stirring the glass really fast with a spoon doesn’t Heat it up a lot?
 
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It's a matter of scale. Diffusion depends on the gradient of concentration and it is a random process and it will be faster as you increase the temperature but agitation will move regions of low concentration over the solute and that will increase the rate of diffusion near the salt. You have added a systematic element to the random movements in a stationary liquid.
 
CuriousBanker said:
So how come stirring the glass really fast with a spoon doesn’t Heat it up a lot?
It does. That is precisely the experiment that Joule did which showed the equivalence of work and heat. He showed that you could heat up a liquid by stirring it.
 
Dale said:
It does. That is precisely the experiment that Joule did which showed the equivalence of work and heat. He showed that you could heat up a liquid by stirring it.
It may be worth noting that the 'Mechanical Equivalent of Heat' that Joule found is that it takes 4.2 Joules of mechanical energy (work) to produce just one calorie of heat,
4.2 J corresponds to lifting 1kg by 0.42 m
1 calorie will raise the temperature of just 1gm of water by 1°C
A lot of Work for a very little Heat. :wink:
 

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