Difference between reverse bias and forward bias for a photodiode

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the operational principles of photodiodes, specifically the differences between reverse bias and forward bias configurations, and their implications for a project involving motor control triggered by light detection. Participants explore the functionality of photodiodes in various bias states and consider alternative components like Light Dependent Resistors (LDRs) for similar applications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a project where motors are triggered by a photodiode, questioning whether forward bias can function oppositely to reverse bias.
  • Another participant suggests that photodiodes typically operate in reverse bias, allowing minimal current flow until illuminated, which generates a photocurrent.
  • Some participants propose using Light Dependent Resistors instead of photodiodes due to their ability to pass larger currents.
  • There is a discussion about the potential use of infrared LEDs with photodiodes, with some participants noting that photodiodes pass microamp currents, necessitating amplification for motor control.
  • A participant questions the meaning of "scattered" light and suggests that the motor control logic could be adjusted to respond to light levels without altering the photodiode's biasing.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the definitions of forward and reverse bias in diodes, including their respective operational modes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate use of photodiodes versus LDRs, and there is no consensus on the best approach for the project. The discussion includes various interpretations of how biasing affects the operation of photodiodes, indicating ongoing uncertainty and debate.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the need for additional information about the project setup, such as motor specifications and light level changes, which could influence the choice of components and circuit design.

Irfan Nafi
Messages
34
Reaction score
0
I'm creating a project where the motors have to be triggered by a photodiode. A light provides a steady stream of current to the photodiode and when that incident light is scattered, the motors move. But in reverse bias a photodiode needs to have a dark environment to provide 'infinite resistance' and only allows current to pass if light is shone upon it, opposite of what I need accomplished. I don't have the schematics of the apparatus yet. Does forward bias of a phototdiode perform the task of a reverse bias photiodiode oppositely?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Engineering news on Phys.org
Since this is more of a concept question than a homework problem, I'm moving the thread to the Electrical Engineering technical forum where the details of how a photodiode operates can be discussed.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Irfan Nafi
Irfan Nafi said:
I'm creating a project where the motors have to be triggered by a photodiode. A light provides a steady stream of current to the photodiode and when that incident light is scattered, the motors move. But in reverse bias a photodiode needs to have a dark environment to provide 'infinite resistance' and only allows current to pass if light is shone upon it, opposite of what I need accomplished. I don't have the schematics of the apparatus yet. Does forward bias of a phototdiode perform the task of a reverse bias photiodiode oppositely?
Photo diodes pass very small currents and you might be better using a Light Dependent Resistor.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Irfan Nafi
tech99 said:
Photo diodes pass very small currents and you might be better using a Light Dependent Resistor.
Would an infrared LED work (for the corresponding photodiode)?
 
Irfan Nafi said:
Would an infrared LED work (for the corresponding photodiode)?
Photo diodes pass currents of microamps, so that an amplifier will be needed to drive the motor. On the other hand, an LDR might just drive the motor directly, or with very little gain. I think LEDs are OK when used as photo diodes.
 
Could you assist me with the code (ardunio)?
 
Irfan Nafi said:
I'm creating a project where the motors have to be triggered by a photodiode. A light provides a steady stream of current to the photodiode and when that incident light is scattered, the motors move. But in reverse bias a photodiode needs to have a dark environment to provide 'infinite resistance' and only allows current to pass if light is shone upon it, opposite of what I need accomplished. I don't have the schematics of the apparatus yet. Does forward bias of a phototdiode perform the task of a reverse bias photiodiode oppositely?
This is not really correct. If you read more about photodiodes (like on wikipedia), you should get a better idea of how they work.

Basically, you usually use a photodiode in reverse bias. When there is no light incident on the photodiode, very little current flows in the reverse direction (just a leakage or "dark" current). When light illuminates the reverse-biased photodiode, a reverse "photocurrent" flows, and this can be amplified to provide the signal that you want to use in your light detection circuit. Something like this:

http://www.electronics-tutorial.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/I_to_V3.png
I_to_V3.png
 
How can I use an LDR to trigger the servo? If the LDR detects a decrease of light how can I use that to make the servo perform its task?
 
Irfan Nafi said:
A light provides a steady stream of current to the photodiode and when that incident light is scattered, the motors move.
What do you mean by scattered? Do you mean blocked, bright or dim?

If you need to turn on motor current when it gets dark, and reverse motor current when it gets light then you can change the motor switching circuit or software to “invert the signal polarity” of the output. It has nothing to do with the bias of the photodiode that is used to detect the light.

A diode is forward biassed when current flows through the diode normally, with a voltage drop of about 0.6 volts for a silicon diode. That is also called photo-voltaic mode and is used for solar power panels.
A reverse biassed diode does not conduct normally, except it has a very small leakage current. But if light shines on the reverse biassed diode junction the light causes a higher current to flow. That is also called photo-conductive mode and is used for optical data communications.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photodiode

Before we can give you specific advice on a simple reliable circuit solution, we need a better idea of what changes the light levels and how big the motors are. Do your motors need to gradually open and close something to maintain the light level, or are you making something that must operate a door based on some light level.

Your mention of programming an Arduino suggests you will have some programmable logic between the light sensor and the motor. That makes the bias of the photodiode signal quite independent of the motor power.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Irfan Nafi

Similar threads

  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
4K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K