Different forms of Biot-Savart Law

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The discussion revolves around the Biot-Savart law and its different forms, specifically the expressions involving 1/r^2 and 1/r^3. Participants are exploring the implications of these forms in the context of calculating magnetic fields at specific points in space.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the validity and application of the different forms of the Biot-Savart law. There is an exploration of how the cross product and the distance factor into the calculations, with some confusion regarding the use of unit vectors and their magnitudes.

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Some participants have provided insights into the convenience of using different forms of the equation, while others express uncertainty about their calculations and the steps involved. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity on how to properly apply both equations without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants mention homework constraints and the necessity to understand the proper usage of the equations, indicating a focus on ensuring comprehension rather than simply arriving at an answer.

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Homework Statement
What expressions give the magnetic field at the point r due to the moving charge?
Relevant Equations
Biot-Savart Law
My book never references the Biot-Savart law with in terms of 1/r^3, only 1/r^2.

How is it that it can be expressed as 1/r^3 as well
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##\hat{\boldsymbol{r}}/r^2 = \boldsymbol{r}/r^3##
 
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ergospherical said:
##\hat{\boldsymbol{r}}/r^2 = \boldsymbol{r}/r^3##
So after look at some problems I think I kinda get why.

Originally the equation is V x r^hat and that is being used when we just want to know the magnetic field at a point. So you cross product those two values and you will get the direction.

In this problem, at the point (x1,0,z1) we use the actual r vector which is in the direction of k^hat and i^hat. If we cross product those two values with k^hat, the direction the the particle is moving, we are left with j^hat.

So if the point we want to evaluate lies at a point in that has more than one direction vector, we use r/r^3 ?
 
You can use whichever form you want / is more convenient.
 
ergospherical said:
You can use whichever form you want / is more convenient.
So my homework used the formula with r/r^3 which I guess I can see is more convenient.
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But when I use the r^hat/r^2 I get a different answer
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Just focusing on the part of the equation that deals with the cross product and the distance, my distance isn't raised to the 3/2 power. Am I missing a step?

I know this may seem trivial or unnecessary but I just want to make sure how to properly use both equations.
 
##\hat{\boldsymbol{r}} = \boldsymbol{r}/r = (x \boldsymbol{i} + z \boldsymbol{k})/\sqrt{x^2 + z^2}##, as opposed to just ##x \boldsymbol{i} + z \boldsymbol{k}## as you wrote...
 
ergospherical said:
##\hat{\boldsymbol{r}} = \boldsymbol{r}/r = (x \boldsymbol{i} + z \boldsymbol{k})/\sqrt{x^2 + z^2}##, as opposed to just ##x \boldsymbol{i} + z \boldsymbol{k}## as you wrote...
Oh mannnn I just needed to think a little bit harder. That make so much sense. A unit vector is a vector divided by its magnitude. If I used my approach the problem above, my distance would be x^2+z^2 but then when I use the unit vector the denominator (x^2+z^2)^1 gets multiplied by (x^2+z^2)^1/2 and I ultimately end up with ^3/2.

That makes so much sense. Thank you so much.
 

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