Different forms of Biot-Savart Law

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The discussion focuses on the different expressions of the Biot-Savart law, specifically the use of 1/r^2 versus 1/r^3. It highlights the importance of using the correct vector forms, particularly when dealing with cross products in magnetic field calculations. The participants clarify that the unit vector form, which involves dividing the position vector by its magnitude, leads to a consistent application of the equations. A realization occurs that using the unit vector correctly accounts for the distance in the calculations, resolving discrepancies in answers. The conversation concludes with an understanding of how to properly apply both forms of the equation in problem-solving.
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Homework Statement
What expressions give the magnetic field at the point r due to the moving charge?
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Biot-Savart Law
My book never references the Biot-Savart law with in terms of 1/r^3, only 1/r^2.

How is it that it can be expressed as 1/r^3 as well
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##\hat{\boldsymbol{r}}/r^2 = \boldsymbol{r}/r^3##
 
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ergospherical said:
##\hat{\boldsymbol{r}}/r^2 = \boldsymbol{r}/r^3##
So after look at some problems I think I kinda get why.

Originally the equation is V x r^hat and that is being used when we just want to know the magnetic field at a point. So you cross product those two values and you will get the direction.

In this problem, at the point (x1,0,z1) we use the actual r vector which is in the direction of k^hat and i^hat. If we cross product those two values with k^hat, the direction the the particle is moving, we are left with j^hat.

So if the point we want to evaluate lies at a point in that has more than one direction vector, we use r/r^3 ?
 
You can use whichever form you want / is more convenient.
 
ergospherical said:
You can use whichever form you want / is more convenient.
So my homework used the formula with r/r^3 which I guess I can see is more convenient.
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But when I use the r^hat/r^2 I get a different answer
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Just focusing on the part of the equation that deals with the cross product and the distance, my distance isn't raised to the 3/2 power. Am I missing a step?

I know this may seem trivial or unnecessary but I just want to make sure how to properly use both equations.
 
##\hat{\boldsymbol{r}} = \boldsymbol{r}/r = (x \boldsymbol{i} + z \boldsymbol{k})/\sqrt{x^2 + z^2}##, as opposed to just ##x \boldsymbol{i} + z \boldsymbol{k}## as you wrote...
 
ergospherical said:
##\hat{\boldsymbol{r}} = \boldsymbol{r}/r = (x \boldsymbol{i} + z \boldsymbol{k})/\sqrt{x^2 + z^2}##, as opposed to just ##x \boldsymbol{i} + z \boldsymbol{k}## as you wrote...
Oh mannnn I just needed to think a little bit harder. That make so much sense. A unit vector is a vector divided by its magnitude. If I used my approach the problem above, my distance would be x^2+z^2 but then when I use the unit vector the denominator (x^2+z^2)^1 gets multiplied by (x^2+z^2)^1/2 and I ultimately end up with ^3/2.

That makes so much sense. Thank you so much.
 
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