Differentiability of Max Function?

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The discussion revolves around the differentiability of the maximum function, particularly in the context of functions involving absolute values. Participants are exploring the conditions under which these functions are differentiable, especially at points where certain variables may be zero.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • Participants discuss the role of partial derivatives in determining differentiability and question where the absolute value function is differentiable. There is an exploration of conditions under which the maximum function is differentiable, particularly focusing on cases where variables are zero.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing insights about differentiability conditions for the functions in question. Some guidance has been offered regarding the behavior of the absolute value function and its implications for differentiability, but no consensus has been reached on a complete understanding of the problem.

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Participants are considering specific cases, such as when all variables are non-zero or when some are zero, and how these conditions affect differentiability. There is an emphasis on understanding the implications of these cases without arriving at a definitive conclusion.

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I think to determine where it's differentiable it has something to do with partial derivatives. But I am just so completely clueless on how to even start this guy off that any tips or minor suggestions on where to even begin would be great. Thanks!
 
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Start with the first one, f. f is just a sum of absolute values. Where is |x| differentiable for x a real variable??
 
Dick said:
Start with the first one, f. f is just a sum of absolute values. Where is |x| differentiable for x a real variable??

Everywhere except at x=0.
 
Ok, so if ALL of the x_i's are non-zero, then f is differentiable, right? Where is it not differentiable?
 
When they're ALL zero? Because if one x_i is non-zero, but the rest are, it's still differentiable?

I don't know why or how to prove it though, and that's what I need help with.
 
If any x_i is equal to zero then the derivative doesn't exist. The ith partial derivative doesn't exist. g is harder, I'm still trying to figure out a good way to describe the set. Try warming up with just two variables. g(x,y)=max(|x|,|y|).
 
Alright, I think I understand what's going on with f.

So then with g, couldn't I try a similar idea since it is also absolute value? Or no?
 
It's similar but not the same. Like I say, think about g(x,y)=max(|x|,|y|). That IS NOT differentiable at x=3, y=3. It IS differentiable at x=3, y=0. Once you've figured out why, try and figure out a way to describe all of the points where it is not differentiable.
 

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