Differential calculus, solve for y: 4(y''y'')+(y'y')-1=0

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The discussion revolves around a differential calculus problem involving the equation 4(y''y'')+(y'y')-1=0, where participants are attempting to manipulate and solve for y. The subject area includes differential equations and the relationships between derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the substitution of variables, such as letting y' = r and y'' = r', to simplify the equation. There are questions regarding the transcription of the original problem and the notation used. Some participants suggest different interpretations of the derivatives involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being proposed. Some participants have offered guidance on how to reformulate the equation, while others are questioning the initial setup and notation. There is no explicit consensus yet, as multiple interpretations are being explored.

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There are indications of potential transcription errors in the problem statement, and participants are considering the implications of different variable definitions on the solution process.

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Homework Statement
quadratic differential calculus
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4(y''y'')+(y'y')-1=0
solve for y
suppose y''=r^2=s
y'=r
4(y''y'')-(y'y')-1=0=4(r^2)^2-(r^2)-1=4(s^2)-s-1
s=(-b±√(b^2-4ac))/2a
s=(1±√17)/8
y=∫∫sdx=∫∫((1±√17)/8) dx=(1±√17)/8)(1/2)x^2+c1x+c2
 
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Hello endykami ##\quad## :welcome: ##\quad## !
endykami said:
suppose y''=r^2=s
y'=r
If y'=r then y'' = r', not r2
 
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You might as well define a new variable e.g. r, let y' = r to recognise you really ha e a first order d.e. To solve in the first place.
Are you sure you transcribed the problem right? - it is a bit unusual to write all squares as (x.x)
 
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Here, I’ll get you started: let y’=r => y’’=r’ and the equation becomes:
4(r’)^2-r^2+1=0
 
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