Differential Eq. and power series

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The discussion revolves around solving a second-order differential equation using power series methods. The original poster presents the equation y'' + x²y' + xy = 0 and attempts to express the solution in terms of power series, leading to a series of coefficients that need to be determined.

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  • The original poster explores the manipulation of power series and the relationships between coefficients. They express confusion regarding the starting index for summations and how to identify which terms correspond to specific powers of x. Other participants discuss the relationships between coefficients and suggest that the starting index should align with the desired first term of the series.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's questions, providing insights into the relationships between coefficients and the reasoning behind starting indices for summations. There is an ongoing exploration of the patterns in the coefficients and how they relate to the terms in the series.

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The original poster mentions uncertainty about the patterns in the denominators of the coefficients and the specific starting points for the summations, indicating a need for clarification on these aspects.

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Homework Statement



y'' + x2y' + xy = 0

Homework Equations



using power series:
y'' = [tex]\Sigma[/tex]cnn(n-1)xn-2 (n = 2 -> infinity)
y' = [tex]\Sigma[/tex]cn(n-1)xn-1 (n = 1 -> infinity)
y = [tex]\Sigma[/tex]cnxn (n = 0 -> infinty)

The Attempt at a Solution




by setting the above equation with its corresponding sumation formulas I get the following:

[tex]\Sigma[/tex]cnn(n-1)xn-2 + [tex]\Sigma[/tex]cn(n-1)xn+1 + [tex]\Sigma[/tex]cnxn+1

to make all the x's start at the same power I pull out 2 terms from the first sumation and 1 term from the last eq. so all x's start at the power of 2.
this yields:

2c2 + 6c3x + [tex]\Sigma[/tex]n=4cnn(n-1)xn-2 + [tex]\Sigma[/tex]cn(n-1)xn+1 + c0x + [tex]\Sigma[/tex]n=1cnxn+1

on the first sumation k=n-2, so n= k+2, on the second sumation k=n+1 and n=k-1 and the same for the third sumation.
substituting k's in their respective sumations we get:

c0x+2c2+6c3x + [tex]\Sigma[/tex]k=2 xk { ck+2(k+2)(k+1) + ck-1(k-1) = ck-1


from the last two terms we can factor a ck-1 and cancel out the 1's left leaving us only with kck-1

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from the identity that the coefficients should add up to zero, we conclude that c2=0 and c3= -c0/6

for the sumation part, I solve for c_k+2 = -{ck-1(k)}/(k+2)(k+1)

and plugging in values of k (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) I can see that k=3 = 0, k=6 = 0, k=9 = 0

for the other values I get sumations with c0 and sumations with c1
Im writing them the way I saw the teacher writing them (since the book does without the multiplication symbol (big pi))

I get the following:

c0 [tex]\Sigma[/tex]n=?? { (-1)n [tex]\Pi[/tex]m=0n-1(3m+1) } / 12*11*9*8*6*5*3*2

where big pi starts at m =0 and ends at m = n-1

for c_0
and for c_1

c1 [tex]\Sigma[/tex]n=?? { (-1)n [tex]\Pi[/tex]m=0n-1(3m+2) } / 10*9*7*6*4*3


I couldn't find a pattern for the denominators. . . I am thinking its two patterns ( for even and odds). . .anyways I'll do that later, my question is the following:

How do I know where to start the sumations of sigma in the answer, you know n=something ?? (why?)

in the book it says that the c0 sumation has the x3,x6,x9. . . and that c1 sumation has the x4,x7,x10

how do I know which sumation has what powers of x?

Some of the answers (in class) start with 1 + [tex]\Sigma[/tex]. . . or with x + [tex]\Sigma[/tex]. . .
how do I know when to pull out the first term? and again, on what n to start for the sumation?

Thanks a lot for reading trough this and thanks in advance for your help.
 
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The relation for the coefficients relates ck to ck+3, so

c0 -> c3 -> c6 -> c9 -> ...
c1 -> c4 -> c7 -> c10 -> ...
c2 -> c5 -> c8 -> c11 -> ...

So the x0, x3, x6, ... terms are all proportional to c0. Likewise, the x1, x4, x7, ... terms are all proportional to c1.

Unless there's something special about the first few terms, there's no reason to pull them out of the summation.
 
thanks! and how do you know where to start your n for the sumation? and where did you get k+3 from?
 
I just substituted k+1 for k in the recurrence relation you derived to get rid of that awkward k-1, k+2 combination.

You start n at whatever value works, the one that will give you the correct first term of the series. For example, consider the harmonic series 1/1+1/2+1/3+1/4+... If I were to write the n-th term as cn=1/n, I'd start n at 1 because that's the value that would give me 1/1 as the first term. If instead I wrote cn=1/(n+1), I would start the summation at n=0.
 

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