Differential equation describing RLC cicuit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving the input/output differential equation for an RLC circuit, focusing on the application of Kirchhoff's laws and the relationships between current and voltage in the circuit components. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and conceptual understanding of the circuit's behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines their approach using Kirchhoff's voltage law and expresses confusion about the relationship between the currents in the inductor and capacitor.
  • Another participant suggests defining the currents through the inductor and capacitor separately and hints at deriving a second-order differential equation in terms of one current.
  • A participant reiterates their initial approach and notes that their equation still contains multiple currents, indicating they have not yet isolated a single variable.
  • One participant clarifies that since the inductor and capacitor are in series, the current through both is the same, leading to the conclusion that i_L = i_C.
  • A later participant proposes substituting the total current in the circuit to express the current through the inductor in terms of the total current and the current through the resistor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationships between the currents in the circuit components, particularly that the current through the inductor and capacitor is the same. However, there is ongoing discussion regarding the correct formulation of the differential equation, and no consensus has been reached on the final expression.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the application of Kirchhoff's laws and the implications of the circuit configuration on the relationships between currents and voltages. There are unresolved questions about the correct approach to isolating variables in the differential equation.

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Homework Statement



Find the input/output differential equation for the LRC circuit in the given figure. The figure is shown in the attachment.

Homework Equations



V(t) = Ri(t)

For inductor,
v(t) = Ldi(t)/dt
I(t) = 1/L∫v(λ)dλ

For capacitor,
dv(t)/dt = i(t)/C
v(t) = 1/C∫i(λ)dλ


The Attempt at a Solution



First I use Kirchhoff's voltage law V_{L}(t) + V_{R}(t) + V_{R}(t) = 0. Using a direction of current in the second loop of the circuit, I can see that the branch that has the inductor and capacitor elemens will have opposite signs to the resistor element in the other branch. Because of this, I get the form Ldi_{L}(t)/dt + 1/C∫i_{C}(λ)dλ = Ri_{R}(t). I then take the derivative of the equation to get rid of the integral and get the form Ld^{2}i_{L}(t)/dt^{2} + i_{C}(t)/C = Rdi_{R}(t)/dt.

This however differs from the correct answer and using Kirchhoff's current law doesn't seem to help much. I'm also not sure why the voltage term for capacitor would depend on the inductor current instead of it's own associated current. I tried looking at my old Electrical Circuits book but none of the examples or problems seemed to have RLC circuits where two elements are on the same branch for me to understand. Could someone please help direct me to the some missing concepts and understanding to this problem?
 

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Call the current thru L and C i1 and the current thru R i2.

Then what is the voltage drop across L and C in terms of i1 and the drop across R in terms of i2?

And what is the relationship between ig, i1 and i2? So you wind up with one differential equation in i1 only.

Hint: will be 2nd-order.
 
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xicor said:

Homework Statement



Find the input/output differential equation for the LRC circuit in the given figure. The figure is shown in the attachment.

Homework Equations



V(t) = Ri(t)

For inductor,
v(t) = Ldi(t)/dt
I(t) = 1/L∫v(λ)dλ

For capacitor,
dv(t)/dt = i(t)/C
v(t) = 1/C∫i(λ)dλ


The Attempt at a Solution



First I use Kirchhoff's voltage law V_{L}(t) + V_{R}(t) + V_{R}(t) = 0. Using a direction of current in the second loop of the circuit, I can see that the branch that has the inductor and capacitor elemens will have opposite signs to the resistor element in the other branch. Because of this, I get the form Ldi_{L}(t)/dt + 1/C∫i_{C}(λ)dλ = Ri_{R}(t). I then take the derivative of the equation to get rid of the integral and get the form Ld^{2}i_{L}(t)/dt^{2} + i_{C}(t)/C = Rdi_{R}(t)/dt.

This however differs from the correct answer and using Kirchhoff's current law doesn't seem to help much.
Well, you generally want to get a differential equation for just one quantity, say, ##i_L##. Your equation has ##i_L##, ##i_C##, and ##i_R## in it still. What you did so far was fine. You're just not finished yet.

I'm also not sure why the voltage term for capacitor would depend on the inductor current instead of its own associated current.
The inductor and capacitor are in series, so any current that goes through one has to go through the other. In other words, ##i_L = i_C##.
 
Alright, I now understand the relationship between the current in the inductor and the capacitor. For parallel circuits, the total current is related to each branch by i_{T} = i_{1} + i_{2} and since i_{L} = i_{C}, i_{T} = i_{L} + i_{R}. I can then substitute for i_{L} in the differential with i_{T} - i_{R}. Is this logic correct?
 
Yes.
 

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