Find di(0+)/dt and dv(0+)/dt of circuit containing resistor, inductor

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The discussion focuses on solving practice problem 8.1, specifically finding di(0+)/dt and dv(0+)/dt in a circuit containing a resistor, inductor, and capacitor. The circuit configuration includes a 2-ohm resistor in series with an inductor and capacitor after the switch is closed. Key equations utilized are I = C dv/dt and V = L di/dt, with the inductor experiencing a voltage difference of 35 V at t=0, leading to immediate conclusions about the derivatives. The analysis emphasizes that the second derivative of current is not necessary for this problem, simplifying the approach to finding the required derivatives.

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Homework Statement
Find di(0+)/dt and dv(0+)/dt of circuit containing resistor, inductor and capacitor
Relevant Equations
I = C dv/dt
V = L di/dt
Dear PF,

I am trying to solve practice problem 8.1 and I am stuck on part b which asks us to find di(0+)/dt and dv(0+)/dt.
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Down below in the picture is my attempt. Before t=0 it is quite intuitive since the inductor acts as short circuit to steady-state DC and a capacitor acts as open circuit to steady-state DC. However, after the switch is closed the circuit got the inductor and a capacitor in series with a 2 ohm resistor. It is very likely that the formules I = C dv/dt and V = L di/dt have to be used but I don't quite know how since the 3.5A current from the inductor wil be spread, a part will go through the 2 ohm resistor and a part will go through the capacitor and I am not quite sure how to analyse this.

Could anyone point me in the right direction to find dv(0+)/dt and di(0+)/dt when the switch just opens?WhatsApp Image 2021-01-22 at 16.04.14.jpeg

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You have a second order system on your hands. What do you get for ##d^2i\over dt^2## ?
Note: pay attention to the signs !
 
BvU said:
You have a second order system on your hands. What do you get for ##d^2i\over dt^2## ?
Note: pay attention to the signs !
To be honest, I do not know. Second order circuits will be covered in the next few chapters. Practice problem 8.1 is asked right after Example 8.1, and in Example 8.1 there is also a second-order circuit but the question only asked for the first derivative right after at t=0+.
The style of this book is that the practice problem is being solved similar to the example problem, so I guess we do not need to know the second derivative of i as of now since there must be a way to solve this question without calculating the second derivative.

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Xhendos said:
we do not need to know the second derivative of i as of now since there must be a way to solve this question without calculating the second derivative
Fair enough. Although it's not very complicated: $$ V = L {di\over dt} \ \ i = C {dV\over dt} \ \ \Rightarrow i = LC\, {d^2i \over dt^2} $$-- but I grant you that it may not be very useful here.

More useful ##-## and in the spirit of the exercise and example ##-## is that for ##t=0## the inductor suddenly sees a voltage difference of 35 V, which should be equal to ##L {di\over dt} ## so the given answer follows immediately.

Similarly, the inductor counteracts any change in the voltage drop over it (fo a very short tine), so answer d) is 0.
 
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