Differential Equation - Initial Value Problem

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The discussion revolves around solving an initial value problem (IVP) involving a differential equation of the form dy/dt = (1/(2y+3)). The initial condition provided is y(0) = 1.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore integrating the differential equation and substituting initial conditions to find constants. There are discussions about the form of the solution and the implications of the quadratic equation derived from the integration.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided hints and guidance on how to approach finding the constant in the solution. There is an ongoing exploration of the uniqueness of the solution and whether the derived expressions satisfy the original differential equation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion regarding the correct application of initial conditions and the implications of the quadratic formula on the uniqueness of the solution. There is also mention of the Lipschitz condition in relation to the uniqueness of solutions.

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Homework Statement



Solve the following IVP:

[tex]\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{1}{2y+3}[/tex] y(0) = 1

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The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{1}{2y+3}[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow \int 2y + 3 dy= \int dt[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow y^2 + 3y= t +c[/tex] where C is a constant

Kinda stuck now. Any hints?
 
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If I am understanding the problem correctly, all you have to do is plug in the values for y and t given by the problem text and solve for C.
 
dont I need the left side to be y(t)?
 
to get your constant c, put in the value of y at t = 0 i.e y(0) = 1,
we have 1 + 3(0) = 0 + c implies c = 1. Thus you get a quadratic equation, then you can solve for y from there
 
wouldnt it be 1^2 + 3(1) = 0 + c => c = 4?
 
cse63146 said:
wouldnt it be 1^2 + 3(1) = 0 + c => c = 4?
I do believe you are correct
 
so its:
[tex]y^2 + 3y = t + 4[/tex]
[tex]y^2 + 3y - 4 = t[/tex]
[tex](y + 4)(y - 1) = t[/tex]

stuck again
 
cse63146 said:
wouldnt it be 1^2 + 3(1) = 0 + c => c = 4?
Oh, sorry for the mistake. But i know you got what i mean't
 
cse63146 said:
so its:
[tex]y^2 + 3y = t + 4[/tex]
[tex]y^2 + 3y - 4 = t[/tex]
[tex](y + 4)(y - 1) = t[/tex]

stuck again
solve [tex]y^2 + 3y -(t + 4) = 0[/tex]
using the general formula for quadratic equation. you y as a function of t
 
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So would the general solution be y^2 + 3y = t + c and the unique solution be y^2 + 3y = t + 4?

I don't think that's it.
 
  • #11
Does (0, 1) satisfy your unique solution?
Does your relation satisfy the differential equation? (You'll need to differentiate implicitly if you use y^2 + 3y = t + 4.)

If the answers to both questions are "yes" you have the unique solution.
 
  • #12
cse63146 said:
So would the general solution be y^2 + 3y = t + c and the unique solution be y^2 + 3y = t + 4?

I don't think that's it.
the general solution is y^2 + 3y = t + c because simply it satisfies the differential equation.(check)
It will be unique if it satisfies the following
1. dy/dx is continuous in the given interval which contains the initial point

2. if Lipschitz condition is satisfied.

y has two roots when you solve the quadratic equation provided the discriminant is not zero. thus the solution of the differential equation is not unique
 
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  • #13
My stupidity knowns no bounds.

After applying the quadratic formula, I got the following:

[tex]y(t) = \frac{- 3 + \sqrt{9 + 4(t+4)}}{2}[/tex] and [tex]y(t) = \frac{- 3 - \sqrt{9 + 4(t+4)}}{2}[/tex]

at time t = 0

[tex]y(t) = \frac{- 3 + \sqrt{9 + 4(0+4)}}{2} = 1[/tex] which satisfies the IVP, while [tex]y(t) = \frac{- 3 - \sqrt{9 + 4(0+4)}}{2} = -4[/tex] which doesn't satisfy the IVP.

Therefore:

[tex]y(t) = \frac{- 3 + \sqrt{9 + 4(t+4)}}{2}[/tex] is the correct answer.
 
  • #14
cse63146 said:
My stupidity knowns no bounds.

After applying the quadratic formula, I got the following:

[tex]y(t) = \frac{- 3 + \sqrt{9 + 4(t+4)}}{2}[/tex] and [tex]y(t) = \frac{- 3 - \sqrt{9 + 4(t+4)}}{2}[/tex]

at time t = 0

[tex]y(t) = \frac{- 3 + \sqrt{9 + 4(0+4)}}{2} = 1[/tex] which satisfies the IVP, while [tex]y(t) = \frac{- 3 - \sqrt{9 + 4(0+4)}}{2} = -4[/tex] which doesn't satisfy the IVP.

Therefore:

[tex]y(t) = \frac{- 3 + \sqrt{9 + 4(t+4)}}{2}[/tex] is the correct answer.
Thus, you now know your general solution and the unique solution which satisfies the I.V.P.
 
  • #15
Still can't believe it took me that long to figure it out.

Thanks for putting up with me.
 

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