Second derivative in parametric equations

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The discussion revolves around finding the second derivative in the context of parametric equations, specifically focusing on the relationship between the derivatives of \(y\) and \(x\) with respect to a parameter \(t\).

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore different methods for calculating the second derivative, with some questioning the differentiation of differentials and others suggesting the use of the chain and Leibniz rules. There is also a mention of computing \(d^2y/dx^2\) parametrically.

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The conversation includes various attempts to derive the second derivative, with some participants expressing confusion about the correct approach. A suggestion to use a specific method has been made, and one participant claims to have arrived at the correct answer, while others are still exploring their reasoning.

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There is an indication that the original poster is focused on a specific part of the problem, and there may be confusion regarding the application of differentiation rules in the context of parametric equations.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Second derivative:
$$\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}=\frac{d}{dx}\frac{dy}{dx}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


$$dx=(1-2t)\,dt,~~dy=(1-3t^2)\,dt$$
Do i differentiate the differential dt?
$$d^2x=(-2)\,dt^2,~~d^2y=(-6)t\,dt^2$$
$$\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}=\frac{d^2y/dt^2}{d^2x/dt^2}=\frac{-6t}{-2}=...=3$$
The answer should be -2
 
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You cannot do it like that. Use the chain and Leibniz rules.
 
Karol said:

Homework Statement


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Only the second part

Homework Equations


Second derivative:
$$\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}=\frac{d}{dx}\frac{dy}{dx}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


$$dx=(1-2t)\,dt,~~dy=(1-3t^2)\,dt$$
Do i differentiate the differential dt?
$$d^2x=(-2)\,dt^2,~~d^2y=(-6)t\,dt^2$$
$$\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}=\frac{d^2y/dt^2}{d^2x/dt^2}=\frac{-6t}{-2}=...=3$$
The answer should be -2
Set ##y' = dy/dx = y'(t)## and then comput ##d^2 y/dx^2 = dy'/dx## paremetrically
 
$$\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}=\frac{d}{dx}\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{d}{dx}\left( \frac{1-3t^2}{1-2t} \right)$$
$$=\frac{d \left( \frac{1-3t^2}{1-2t} \right)/dt}{dx/dt}=\frac{d \left( \frac{1-3t^2}{1-2t} \right)/dt}{1-2t}$$
It comes out right, -2
Thank you Orodruin and Ray
 
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